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I can see that "Autopilot" is arguably a marketing term. I don't like it, I feel like it's irresponsible, but I can see the argument that it's not false adverti

I can see that "Autopilot" is arguably a marketing term. I don't like it, I feel like it's irresponsible, but I can see the argument that it's not false advertising. It's hard to see ambiguity about "Full Self Driving". What's next, will they argue that "The Car Drives Itself, You Can Take a Nap" isn't meant to be taken literally?

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jrmg 4y ago
“Full self driving” isn’t just ambiguous, it’s fraudulent. The car can in no way fully ‘drive’ itself unless you define ‘driving’ as not including many things that are universally thought of as necessary skills to operate a car. [edit: rereading your comment, I see we’re actually in agreement!]
- misiti3780 4y ago
  How is it fraudulent - they dont claim to be selling L5 FSD?
  - adoxyz 4y ago
    On Tesla's website under the Autopilot page, there is a video that opens up with "The car is doing all the driving. The driver is just there for legal purposes" https://www.tesla.com/autopilot https://www.tesla.com/autopilot That paired with the name of "Full Self Driving" really does a good job of implying that the car drivers itself...
  - belkinpower 4y ago
    Words have meanings. If you call something “full self-driving” you can’t get upset when people assume it means full self-driving.
    - misiti3780 4y ago
      So just so I understand, you think there are Tesla owners that think they have Full self driving because the Tesla website calls it FSD?
      - ra7 4y ago
        But why even call it FSD if it's not fully self driving? There's no reason to use a misleading name in the first place.
        acdha 4y ago
        The absurdity of that point becomes obvious when you look at it from a business perspective: Tesla’s marketing department wants that there because it sounds better than what their competitors offer. They wouldn’t make it so prominent if they didn’t want you to take exactly that impression.
        Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
        Buying FSD now is really just buying a promise that FSD will be delivered in the future. Whether Tesla will actually achieve FSD is debatable. Personally, I think they will. Yes, even with vision-only. It's going to be several more years, but I think they'll get there eventually. But what do you call it when you're selling that feature to customers today?
        acdha 4y ago
        Especially if it’s tied to the vehicle. How many people who paid for FSD originally will have sold their car or had it reach the end of its service life by the time anything like the original promise is delivered?
        misiti3780 4y ago
        who cares what they call it. if you buy a software package thinking it's fsd in 2022 with zero research, it's on you. i feel like half the downvoters in this chain are fighting the good fight for .00001% of tesla owners, who happen to be some of the dumbest consumers on planet earth.

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jrmg 4y ago

“Full self driving” isn’t just ambiguous, it’s fraudulent. The car can in no way fully ‘drive’ itself unless you define ‘driving’ as not including many things that are universally thought of as necessary skills to operate a car. [edit: rereading your comment, I see we’re actually in agreement!]

misiti3780 4y ago
How is it fraudulent - they dont claim to be selling L5 FSD?
- adoxyz 4y ago
  On Tesla's website under the Autopilot page, there is a video that opens up with "The car is doing all the driving. The driver is just there for legal purposes" https://www.tesla.com/autopilot https://www.tesla.com/autopilot That paired with the name of "Full Self Driving" really does a good job of implying that the car drivers itself...
- belkinpower 4y ago
  Words have meanings. If you call something “full self-driving” you can’t get upset when people assume it means full self-driving.
  - misiti3780 4y ago
    So just so I understand, you think there are Tesla owners that think they have Full self driving because the Tesla website calls it FSD?
    - ra7 4y ago
      But why even call it FSD if it's not fully self driving? There's no reason to use a misleading name in the first place.
      - acdha 4y ago
        The absurdity of that point becomes obvious when you look at it from a business perspective: Tesla’s marketing department wants that there because it sounds better than what their competitors offer. They wouldn’t make it so prominent if they didn’t want you to take exactly that impression.
        Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
        Buying FSD now is really just buying a promise that FSD will be delivered in the future. Whether Tesla will actually achieve FSD is debatable. Personally, I think they will. Yes, even with vision-only. It's going to be several more years, but I think they'll get there eventually. But what do you call it when you're selling that feature to customers today?
        acdha 4y ago
        Especially if it’s tied to the vehicle. How many people who paid for FSD originally will have sold their car or had it reach the end of its service life by the time anything like the original promise is delivered?
        misiti3780 4y ago
        who cares what they call it. if you buy a software package thinking it's fsd in 2022 with zero research, it's on you. i feel like half the downvoters in this chain are fighting the good fight for .00001% of tesla owners, who happen to be some of the dumbest consumers on planet earth.