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TBH ... I absolute hate this AI generated strange images. Most folks are celebrate this technology but I don't know what it's really for other than confusing br

TBH ... I absolute hate this AI generated strange images. Most folks are celebrate this technology but I don't know what it's really for other than confusing brains. I always ask myself "is this real" ... I don't like to ask myself if something is real or don't like to be confused. Is anyone else out there who feels the same?

manimino 4y ago
When computers started beating humans at chess, there was a similar moment of anxiety. One good quote from that era: "You should be no more concerned that a computer can beat you in chess than that a car can beat you in a race." Technology changes the experience of being human. Chess used to be the marker of human intelligence; that passed. Now some forms of creativity will too.
- frankzander 4y ago
  I'm not anxious about it. It's just not pleasant to see. There are some painters like Dali (I assume Dall-E is not by accident) or Bosch who had created kinda similar "products" but to me they are interesting and fun to look at. The AI products are kinda useless creap, mashups without sense from dump machines and that's give me this wired feeling which makes me hate it.
anon2020dot00 4y ago
There is no need to worry about the threat of AI. While it is true that AI has the potential to cause great harm, it is also true that AI has the potential to do a great deal of good. As long as we are careful and responsible in our development and use of AI, there is no reason to believe that it will be anything other than a positive force in the world. -- generated by OpenAI from a prompt
- frankzander 4y ago
  Yes I assumed it from the first few words that's kind of a AI product.
ev1 4y ago
I'm working on an indie game and I get surprisingly decent results if I ask for a basic object (think 300 mutations of a key or book) and downsample it to the 48x48 sprite sheet size. They look weird as hell at normal resolution but as pixel art with specific resize sampling methods it's a lot less weird, and good for rapid prototyping.
- dron57 4y ago
  That's such an awesome use case! Do you have any examples you can share?
  - ev1 4y ago
    https://upload.vaa.red/Ct8Ui#48b916 https://upload.vaa.red/Ct8Ui#48b916 https://upload.vaa.red/bVBvk#c275ba https://upload.vaa.red/bVBvk#c275ba The originals look like malformed mutants at 256x256 with nonsensical key bits and strange twisted handles. Note that this does not replace a good pixel art artist either - for things like walls, anything that needs to connect together or tile like a dungeon wall or castle, or a cohesive art style, this will not do. But for rapidly identifiable different quest item drops it's not terrible.
- cyborgx7 4y ago
  That is very cool and a clever use the technology. Any place where someone can follow your development efforts?
  - ev1 4y ago
    Haha, I'm not even partway into picking a game engine. I was going to try out Unity but then the whole "bought by adtech" thing happened.
detritus 4y ago
I'm not with you, at all, but I did have a knot in my stomach the otehr day reading a quote from one of the founders of MidJourney, David Holz who apparently said "Within the next year or two, you’ll be able to make content in real time: 30 frames a second, high resolution. It’ll be expensive, but it’ll be possible. Then, in 10 years, you’ll be able to buy an Xbox with a giant AI processor, and all the games are dreams.". As someone who used to take quite a lot of psychedelics, there's something quite terrifying about the promise of this premise - it takes me back to the wrong sort of trips where the ever-unfolding strata of reality became too much bear and I'd end up mentally cowering beneath the unrelenting bigness of it all. The infinite dreamspace is unholy-big and nt somewhere I'd much choose to get lost. Or maybe I totally will... - ed - Notwithstanding the obvious realisation that I could just take the helmet off, or remove the contact lenses, or whatever we have in a couple of decades.
- thatcat 4y ago
  Unless the neuralink implant works out to be a controller and visualizer...
  - swamp40 4y ago
    Once you can complete a feedback loop, things will get very strange very fast. You will be able to visualize your own nightmares when you are awake.
- Workaccount2 4y ago
  At least for me, the intensity of a psychedelic trip was little about the visuals and a lot about that indescribable consciousness change. I don't think AI's are going to be collapsing people's innate sense of reality (the way that psychedelics does at least), perhaps leaving them questioning what media is and isn't real though.
jeroenhd 4y ago
I assume most images and videos on the internet are doctored and have been since the invention of photoshop. I don't feel the need to check for reality. I've seen screenshots from games that look more realistic than some pictures I've taken (Forza on max settings at the right angle might as well be a photograph) and this trend will only continue. This tool can be considered more of an automated version of meme communities, where dedicated members will spend an hour photoshopping muppets into historic events and making the pictures look absolutely believable. The only novelty I see is that the computer now does a lot (but not all) work for you. There are nice opportunities here. If you need a stock photo of something very specific, you'll soon be able to generate one with the right query and the right AI. Small companies can generate fancy brands without paying professional designer's fees, especially if all they need is a billboard and not a whole suite of office supplies. You can generate your own posters and decorations featuring interesting landscapes and scenes in any style you want. The current iterations of these algorithms are quite limited in many aspects and sometimes uncanny or even horrifying, but I look forward to a future where I can imagine something, describe it, and have it rendered into digital art just like I pictured, without having to spend decades on honing my skills as an artist.
- frankzander 4y ago
  It's not about fake images trying to show reality but it's about images crafting something from reality and showing something unreal. The brain want to interpret it and fail. This fail drives me nuts.
highspeedbus 4y ago
I think AGI, when it inevitably arrives, will be so disruptive to our brains as sugar and sedentarism. We've not evolved to question whether what we see, hear and feel is real.
nonbirithm 4y ago
Yes, I agree. I believe that technology is like pollution, irrespective of its net utility on society: once it's been invented, it's practically impossible to go back to the state in history where it wasn't invented. Pretty soon it may begin to be the case that the invention of technologies that appear interesting on the surface have unexpected societal effects when they become mainstream, and it will be too late once the data and knowledge has spread to millions of individual hard drives. In the case of DALL-E and GPT-3, I believe they will undermine human creativity and usher in a new era where fewer people care about slowly crafted skills like painting that require years or decades of practice and patience to master if the barrier to just have the art in front of you in seconds becomes so low. It might get to the point that people will divide themselves on ideological grounds that AI art is "impure" and attack each other if they cannot prove its origin. I'm not saying that I'm one of those people that would join the pushback, given that a coming explosion in AI art is all but inevitable, but I'm describing what I think the new technology is going to cause the masses to believe - the population that aren't enthusiastic tech evangelists. When the expectations of millions of people are set by DALL-E and the like, I don't think the prospects will be universally positive. Look at the number of people on HN asking if certain comments were written by GPT-3; they seem to appear weekly. I don't think implying that you didn't actually write the comment you posted will be taken very well by some people outside of an insular circle like HN once the general public becomes fully aware of AI, and could very well grow into a well-known insult if there ever comes to be a rift in opinions around AI art.

manimino 4y ago

When computers started beating humans at chess, there was a similar moment of anxiety. One good quote from that era: "You should be no more concerned that a computer can beat you in chess than that a car can beat you in a race." Technology changes the experience of being human. Chess used to be the marker of human intelligence; that passed. Now some forms of creativity will too.

frankzander 4y ago
I'm not anxious about it. It's just not pleasant to see. There are some painters like Dali (I assume Dall-E is not by accident) or Bosch who had created kinda similar "products" but to me they are interesting and fun to look at. The AI products are kinda useless creap, mashups without sense from dump machines and that's give me this wired feeling which makes me hate it.

anon2020dot00 4y ago

There is no need to worry about the threat of AI. While it is true that AI has the potential to cause great harm, it is also true that AI has the potential to do a great deal of good. As long as we are careful and responsible in our development and use of AI, there is no reason to believe that it will be anything other than a positive force in the world. -- generated by OpenAI from a prompt

frankzander 4y ago
Yes I assumed it from the first few words that's kind of a AI product.

ev1 4y ago

I'm working on an indie game and I get surprisingly decent results if I ask for a basic object (think 300 mutations of a key or book) and downsample it to the 48x48 sprite sheet size. They look weird as hell at normal resolution but as pixel art with specific resize sampling methods it's a lot less weird, and good for rapid prototyping.

dron57 4y ago
That's such an awesome use case! Do you have any examples you can share?
- ev1 4y ago
  https://upload.vaa.red/Ct8Ui#48b916 https://upload.vaa.red/Ct8Ui#48b916 https://upload.vaa.red/bVBvk#c275ba https://upload.vaa.red/bVBvk#c275ba The originals look like malformed mutants at 256x256 with nonsensical key bits and strange twisted handles. Note that this does not replace a good pixel art artist either - for things like walls, anything that needs to connect together or tile like a dungeon wall or castle, or a cohesive art style, this will not do. But for rapidly identifiable different quest item drops it's not terrible.
cyborgx7 4y ago
That is very cool and a clever use the technology. Any place where someone can follow your development efforts?
- ev1 4y ago
  Haha, I'm not even partway into picking a game engine. I was going to try out Unity but then the whole "bought by adtech" thing happened.

detritus 4y ago

I'm not with you, at all, but I did have a knot in my stomach the otehr day reading a quote from one of the founders of MidJourney, David Holz who apparently said "Within the next year or two, you’ll be able to make content in real time: 30 frames a second, high resolution. It’ll be expensive, but it’ll be possible. Then, in 10 years, you’ll be able to buy an Xbox with a giant AI processor, and all the games are dreams.". As someone who used to take quite a lot of psychedelics, there's something quite terrifying about the promise of this premise - it takes me back to the wrong sort of trips where the ever-unfolding strata of reality became too much bear and I'd end up mentally cowering beneath the unrelenting bigness of it all. The infinite dreamspace is unholy-big and nt somewhere I'd much choose to get lost. Or maybe I totally will... - ed - Notwithstanding the obvious realisation that I could just take the helmet off, or remove the contact lenses, or whatever we have in a couple of decades.

thatcat 4y ago
Unless the neuralink implant works out to be a controller and visualizer...
- swamp40 4y ago
  Once you can complete a feedback loop, things will get very strange very fast. You will be able to visualize your own nightmares when you are awake.
Workaccount2 4y ago
At least for me, the intensity of a psychedelic trip was little about the visuals and a lot about that indescribable consciousness change. I don't think AI's are going to be collapsing people's innate sense of reality (the way that psychedelics does at least), perhaps leaving them questioning what media is and isn't real though.

jeroenhd 4y ago

I assume most images and videos on the internet are doctored and have been since the invention of photoshop. I don't feel the need to check for reality. I've seen screenshots from games that look more realistic than some pictures I've taken (Forza on max settings at the right angle might as well be a photograph) and this trend will only continue. This tool can be considered more of an automated version of meme communities, where dedicated members will spend an hour photoshopping muppets into historic events and making the pictures look absolutely believable. The only novelty I see is that the computer now does a lot (but not all) work for you. There are nice opportunities here. If you need a stock photo of something very specific, you'll soon be able to generate one with the right query and the right AI. Small companies can generate fancy brands without paying professional designer's fees, especially if all they need is a billboard and not a whole suite of office supplies. You can generate your own posters and decorations featuring interesting landscapes and scenes in any style you want. The current iterations of these algorithms are quite limited in many aspects and sometimes uncanny or even horrifying, but I look forward to a future where I can imagine something, describe it, and have it rendered into digital art just like I pictured, without having to spend decades on honing my skills as an artist.

frankzander 4y ago
It's not about fake images trying to show reality but it's about images crafting something from reality and showing something unreal. The brain want to interpret it and fail. This fail drives me nuts.

highspeedbus 4y ago

I think AGI, when it inevitably arrives, will be so disruptive to our brains as sugar and sedentarism. We've not evolved to question whether what we see, hear and feel is real.

nonbirithm 4y ago

Yes, I agree. I believe that technology is like pollution, irrespective of its net utility on society: once it's been invented, it's practically impossible to go back to the state in history where it wasn't invented. Pretty soon it may begin to be the case that the invention of technologies that appear interesting on the surface have unexpected societal effects when they become mainstream, and it will be too late once the data and knowledge has spread to millions of individual hard drives. In the case of DALL-E and GPT-3, I believe they will undermine human creativity and usher in a new era where fewer people care about slowly crafted skills like painting that require years or decades of practice and patience to master if the barrier to just have the art in front of you in seconds becomes so low. It might get to the point that people will divide themselves on ideological grounds that AI art is "impure" and attack each other if they cannot prove its origin. I'm not saying that I'm one of those people that would join the pushback, given that a coming explosion in AI art is all but inevitable, but I'm describing what I think the new technology is going to cause the masses to believe - the population that aren't enthusiastic tech evangelists. When the expectations of millions of people are set by DALL-E and the like, I don't think the prospects will be universally positive. Look at the number of people on HN asking if certain comments were written by GPT-3; they seem to appear weekly. I don't think implying that you didn't actually write the comment you posted will be taken very well by some people outside of an insular circle like HN once the general public becomes fully aware of AI, and could very well grow into a well-known insult if there ever comes to be a rift in opinions around AI art.