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> Tesla's location history storage is actually much more limited in practice than what you get on iOS or Android, yet... no front page articles on HN about thos

> Tesla's location history storage is actually much more limited in practice than what you get on iOS or Android, yet... no front page articles on HN about those? On iOS at least, your location history never leaves your phone. And you can also turn it off without losing access to anything unrelated.

judge2020 4y ago
* Only if you go to Privacy and Security -> Location Services -> Systems Services (at the bottom) -> turn off iPhone Analytics, Routing & Traffic, and Improve Maps. Apple's anonymization algorithm for these significant location services is probably better than Tesla's, but it can probably still be correlated to which house or neighborhood you start sending location from. And that's just the built-in location data exfiltration. As soon as someone installs a top app that requests 'always' location access it's gone, eg. Life360 (100M+ downloads on Android, you can expect similar numbers on iOS), Google Maps, Snapchat. Of course, this should all be in the purview that people tend to have an individualized risk tolerance for their location data. Some people are fine with contributing to traffic data by allowing Google Maps, Apple, and Tesla (if they have a Tesla)/their car manufacturer to track their location while moving, but would react harshly if TikTok asked for persistent access to their location data. Some people are even fine with Snapchat and Google asking them if they can log and associate location history with their account [0,1], assuming they trust them not to sell or leak that location data. 0: https://screenrant.com/snapchat-plus-ghost-trails-feature-explained/ https://screenrant.com/snapchat-plus-ghost-trails-feature-ex... 1: https://support.google.com/maps/answer/6258979?hl=en https://support.google.com/maps/answer/6258979?hl=en
aeternum 4y ago
This is only true for a very small percentage of users. Most apple users share location with family or one of many other apps that post location history to the cloud.

judge2020 4y ago

* Only if you go to Privacy and Security -> Location Services -> Systems Services (at the bottom) -> turn off iPhone Analytics, Routing & Traffic, and Improve Maps. Apple's anonymization algorithm for these significant location services is probably better than Tesla's, but it can probably still be correlated to which house or neighborhood you start sending location from. And that's just the built-in location data exfiltration. As soon as someone installs a top app that requests 'always' location access it's gone, eg. Life360 (100M+ downloads on Android, you can expect similar numbers on iOS), Google Maps, Snapchat. Of course, this should all be in the purview that people tend to have an individualized risk tolerance for their location data. Some people are fine with contributing to traffic data by allowing Google Maps, Apple, and Tesla (if they have a Tesla)/their car manufacturer to track their location while moving, but would react harshly if TikTok asked for persistent access to their location data. Some people are even fine with Snapchat and Google asking them if they can log and associate location history with their account [0,1], assuming they trust them not to sell or leak that location data. 0: https://screenrant.com/snapchat-plus-ghost-trails-feature-explained/ https://screenrant.com/snapchat-plus-ghost-trails-feature-ex... 1: https://support.google.com/maps/answer/6258979?hl=en https://support.google.com/maps/answer/6258979?hl=en

aeternum 4y ago

This is only true for a very small percentage of users. Most apple users share location with family or one of many other apps that post location history to the cloud.