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Well, if I can't rob banks in my Tesla then I don't think it's even worth getting one anymore.

by johnla 4y ago

tonmoy 4y ago
But if you had coincidentally parked near a bank while the robbery was happening law enforcement can easily pin it on you if there is lack of a better suspect. In other words you have less leverage in your legal defense
InitialLastName 4y ago
Wait until the Texas AG demands all data for Teslas registered to owners in Texas that have parked at abortion clinics in other states.
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- salawat 4y ago
  You're not going far enough. Camera footage my friend. Remember, Teslas are broadband rolling surveillance devices.
  - mschuster91 4y ago
    ... which is why the Berlin police department is trying to ban Tesla vehicles from their grounds [1]. [1] https://www.rbb24.de/panorama/beitrag/2022/06/tesla-verbot-berlin-polizei.html https://www.rbb24.de/panorama/beitrag/2022/06/tesla-verbot-b...
    - salawat 4y ago
      Imagine that. Funny how the police push back on having applied to them what they are more than happy to see inflicted on others.
ajross 4y ago
The bank robbery anecdote is particularly weird here since the location history in question wasn't via Tesla at all, it was the fleet tracking system run by the owner of the rental car!
- CharlesW 4y ago
  TFA says we don't know for sure, but is at least honest enough to note up front that it likely came from Steer. I don't think the fact that redundant systems were actively sharing car data negates the point of the example, though. We know Tesla is collecting this information, and https://www.tesla.com/legal/privacy https://www.tesla.com/legal/privacy makes it clear that Tesla will share this data with not only law enforcement but "service providers, business partners and affiliates".
  - vardump 4y ago
    A pretty interesting read. I didn't find anything alerting except that they share data with the law enforcement. That might not be desirable under some jurisdictions! It also says for example this: "We limit how, and with who, we share your personal data. Examples of when we may share your information include, payment processing, order fulfillment, product installation, customer service, marketing, financing, service or repair, and other similar services. We do not sell your personal data to anyone for any purpose, period. The table below illustrates who Tesla may share your personal data with depending on your interactions with us or purchases you make." [A table follows with examples.] [More precise details follow] ... "Law enforcement and government authorities. Description: Disclosure of information as required by law, or when otherwise appropriate Reason: To comply with applicable laws based on our legal obligation or legitimate interests" ... "Other third party business partners to the extent that they are involved in the purchase, lease, or service of your Tesla products."
    - CharlesW 4y ago
      I agree that it's incumbent on everyone who owns or is considering a Tesla to click on "Show More" under "Sharing Your Information" at https://www.tesla.com/legal/privacy https://www.tesla.com/legal/privacy. "Service providers, business partners and affiliates" is so vague that Tesla can share any data with almost anyone without revising this notice. If they ever do want to sell the data instead of giving it away, they can change the notice at any time.
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tenpies 4y ago
Exactly, Good Citizens have nothing to fear. But the next time you try to go to a protest that is not sanctioned by the Democrats, expect your Tesla to refuse to take you there.

Well, if I can't rob banks in my Tesla then I don't think it's even worth getting one anymore.

by johnla 4y ago

Well, if I can't rob banks in my Tesla then I don't think it's even worth getting one anymore.

But if you had coincidentally parked near a bank while the robbery was happening law enforcement can easily pin it on you if there is lack of a better suspect. In other words you have less leverage in your legal defense

InitialLastName 4y ago

Wait until the Texas AG demands all data for Teslas registered to owners in Texas that have parked at abortion clinics in other states.

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salawat 4y ago
You're not going far enough. Camera footage my friend. Remember, Teslas are broadband rolling surveillance devices.
- mschuster91 4y ago
  ... which is why the Berlin police department is trying to ban Tesla vehicles from their grounds [1]. [1] https://www.rbb24.de/panorama/beitrag/2022/06/tesla-verbot-berlin-polizei.html https://www.rbb24.de/panorama/beitrag/2022/06/tesla-verbot-b...
  - salawat 4y ago
    Imagine that. Funny how the police push back on having applied to them what they are more than happy to see inflicted on others.

ajross 4y ago

The bank robbery anecdote is particularly weird here since the location history in question wasn't via Tesla at all, it was the fleet tracking system run by the owner of the rental car!

CharlesW 4y ago
TFA says we don't know for sure, but is at least honest enough to note up front that it likely came from Steer. I don't think the fact that redundant systems were actively sharing car data negates the point of the example, though. We know Tesla is collecting this information, and https://www.tesla.com/legal/privacy https://www.tesla.com/legal/privacy makes it clear that Tesla will share this data with not only law enforcement but "service providers, business partners and affiliates".
- vardump 4y ago
  A pretty interesting read. I didn't find anything alerting except that they share data with the law enforcement. That might not be desirable under some jurisdictions! It also says for example this: "We limit how, and with who, we share your personal data. Examples of when we may share your information include, payment processing, order fulfillment, product installation, customer service, marketing, financing, service or repair, and other similar services. We do not sell your personal data to anyone for any purpose, period. The table below illustrates who Tesla may share your personal data with depending on your interactions with us or purchases you make." [A table follows with examples.] [More precise details follow] ... "Law enforcement and government authorities. Description: Disclosure of information as required by law, or when otherwise appropriate Reason: To comply with applicable laws based on our legal obligation or legitimate interests" ... "Other third party business partners to the extent that they are involved in the purchase, lease, or service of your Tesla products."
  - CharlesW 4y ago
    I agree that it's incumbent on everyone who owns or is considering a Tesla to click on "Show More" under "Sharing Your Information" at https://www.tesla.com/legal/privacy https://www.tesla.com/legal/privacy. "Service providers, business partners and affiliates" is so vague that Tesla can share any data with almost anyone without revising this notice. If they ever do want to sell the data instead of giving it away, they can change the notice at any time.

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tenpies 4y ago

Exactly, Good Citizens have nothing to fear. But the next time you try to go to a protest that is not sanctioned by the Democrats, expect your Tesla to refuse to take you there.