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Every lisp program supports that serialization format out of the box.

by thrown_22 4y ago

lmm 4y ago
No, every lisp program supports its own idiosyncratic variation on it, no two alike.
- thrown_22 4y ago
  Yes, just how no two json implementations support the same schema.
  - lmm 4y ago
    Independent JSON implementations can parse and manipulate the same files, since they agree on what the basic datatypes are. S-expression implementations don't; often they don't even agree on what the quoting convention is.
    - thrown_22 4y ago
      >since they agree on what the basic datatypes are That is not the job of the data format, that is the job of the meta data format. That this is still a draft tells you how far behind json is: https://json-schema.org/draft/2020-12/json-schema-core.html https://json-schema.org/draft/2020-12/json-schema-core.html Again, json is gods way of teaching bad devs why xml is such a mess.
      - lmm 4y ago
        > That is not the job of the data format, that is the job of the meta data format. In theory maybe. In practice it's really nice that all JSON documents have the same standard handful of basic datatypes (number, string, etc.). > Again, json is gods way of teaching bad devs why xml is such a mess. Maybe that's the lesson bad devs take from it. Good devs take something rather different from it.
        thrown_22 4y ago
        >In theory maybe. In practice it's really nice that all JSON documents have the same standard handful of basic datatypes (number, string, etc.). You missed boolean. That's it. Those are the supported types by json. But tell me more about how you can guess the type of 1515151515151 without context. >Maybe that's the lesson bad devs take from it. Good devs take something rather different from it. Thank you, people like you are the reason why I can quit my job and any time and find another one paying mid six figures to fix your messes.
        lmm 4y ago
        > But tell me more about how you can guess the type of 1515151515151 without context. In JSON if that's an expression then it's a number. You're the one advocating S-expressions, which is where you'd have to guess the type, so tell me how you'd figure the type out there. Heck, you're complaining about the fact that JSON schema is only a draft, but that's still decades ahead of the state of standardised S-expression formats. > Thank you, people like you are the reason why I can quit my job and any time and find another one paying mid six figures to fix your messes. Right back at you lol.

Every lisp program supports that serialization format out of the box.

lmm 4y ago

No, every lisp program supports its own idiosyncratic variation on it, no two alike.

thrown_22 4y ago
Yes, just how no two json implementations support the same schema.
- lmm 4y ago
  Independent JSON implementations can parse and manipulate the same files, since they agree on what the basic datatypes are. S-expression implementations don't; often they don't even agree on what the quoting convention is.
  - thrown_22 4y ago
    >since they agree on what the basic datatypes are That is not the job of the data format, that is the job of the meta data format. That this is still a draft tells you how far behind json is: https://json-schema.org/draft/2020-12/json-schema-core.html https://json-schema.org/draft/2020-12/json-schema-core.html Again, json is gods way of teaching bad devs why xml is such a mess.
    - lmm 4y ago
      > That is not the job of the data format, that is the job of the meta data format. In theory maybe. In practice it's really nice that all JSON documents have the same standard handful of basic datatypes (number, string, etc.). > Again, json is gods way of teaching bad devs why xml is such a mess. Maybe that's the lesson bad devs take from it. Good devs take something rather different from it.
      - thrown_22 4y ago
        >In theory maybe. In practice it's really nice that all JSON documents have the same standard handful of basic datatypes (number, string, etc.). You missed boolean. That's it. Those are the supported types by json. But tell me more about how you can guess the type of 1515151515151 without context. >Maybe that's the lesson bad devs take from it. Good devs take something rather different from it. Thank you, people like you are the reason why I can quit my job and any time and find another one paying mid six figures to fix your messes.
        lmm 4y ago
        > But tell me more about how you can guess the type of 1515151515151 without context. In JSON if that's an expression then it's a number. You're the one advocating S-expressions, which is where you'd have to guess the type, so tell me how you'd figure the type out there. Heck, you're complaining about the fact that JSON schema is only a draft, but that's still decades ahead of the state of standardised S-expression formats. > Thank you, people like you are the reason why I can quit my job and any time and find another one paying mid six figures to fix your messes. Right back at you lol.