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Do you have a choice in terms of what fuel you can use for your car because I don't. If you drive a diesel car, you can actually swap the diesel fuel with used

Do you have a choice in terms of what fuel you can use for your car because I don't. If you drive a diesel car, you can actually swap the diesel fuel with used cooking oil(after removing the impurities and doing a few modifications to the engine/car) Yet, it is still not legal in France(among other countries) to do so for example. Why? because the government does not want people to stop paying 60% taxes each and every time they go to the pump to refill their tank. Supposedly it will be legal soon but guess what, they are still going to tax the used cooking oil as if it was oil from the ground. So where is the incentive to switch? This has been know for the last 15 years if not more. So yeah, I ll say consumers are not responsible for this mess. Give people cheap EV and people will drive them. Where are they today? I am not a Musk die hard fan, but if Tesla had not shaken up the car companies and threaten them we would not even have electric vehicles today. What did we have 10 years ago? A hybrid from Toyota and a few other car makers and that was it.

DoingIsLearning 4y ago
> This has been know for the last 15 years if not more. So yeah, I ll say consumers are not responsible for this mess. No this has been known for more than half a century. In 1958 Bell Labs Bell Science hour broadcast on public 'The Unchained goddess' a 1 hour documentary. Human caused climate change is addressed at about 50:00 mark. [0] Note this is a public documentary not confidential research. Since the early 80's Oil&Gas have adapted there oil platforms designs to deal with incoming sea level rises. [1] We have been conned into an Antropogenic Climate Crisis for profit. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1ph_7C1Jq4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1ph_7C1Jq4 [1] https://gizmodo.com/how-big-oil-rigs-the-system-to-keep-winning-1848180128 https://gizmodo.com/how-big-oil-rigs-the-system-to-keep-winn...
gruez 4y ago
> Do you have a choice in terms of what fuel you can use for your car because I don't. >Give people cheap EV and people will drive them. Where are they today? I am not a Musk die hard fan, but if Tesla had not shaken up the car companies and threaten them we would not even have electric vehicles today. >What did we have 10 years ago? A hybrid from Toyota and a few other car makers and that was it. The way you juxtaposed this is weird. You're implying that if there isn't some pain-free way for consumers to quit fossil fuels then they're not responsible and it's all on governments/corporations. Fossil fuels are currently used because they're the cheapest source of energy, so it's entirely unreasonable to expect that you can quit them without making personal sacrifices. >Yet, it is still not legal in France(among other countries) to do so for example. Why? because the government does not want people to stop paying 60% taxes each and every time they go to the pump to refill their tank. >Supposedly it will be legal soon but guess what, they are still going to tax the used cooking oil as if it was oil from the ground. So where is the incentive to switch? That makes sense considering that the fuel taxes are for funding roads, not as some sort of carbon sin tax.
- rdm_blackhole 4y ago
  > The way you juxtaposed this is weird. You're implying that if there isn't some pain-free way for consumers to quit fossil fuels then they're not responsible and it's all on governments/corporations That's my point. Alternatives exists already but the governments are not enticing people to switch to EV or alternative fuel sources such as in my comment used frying oil. Instead they tax the alternative as if it was regular oil coming from the ground. You can't say that people need to switch/change habits if the alternative is no different than what you currently have. > That makes sense considering that the fuel taxes are for funding roads, not as some sort of carbon sin tax. That is not factually correct. The budget for road maintenance is not derived from these taxes. These taxes are simply used to plug the various gaps in the governments coffers. Do some of these taxes end up being used for road maintenance? Certainly so but their primary purpose is simply to generate revenue for the governments. See the articles seen on HN regarding the UK grappling with the fact that each year the fuel tax brings in around 30 Billion pounds that will need to be replaced once the transition to EV has been completed. its the same in France FYI.

DoingIsLearning 4y ago

> This has been know for the last 15 years if not more. So yeah, I ll say consumers are not responsible for this mess. No this has been known for more than half a century. In 1958 Bell Labs Bell Science hour broadcast on public 'The Unchained goddess' a 1 hour documentary. Human caused climate change is addressed at about 50:00 mark. [0] Note this is a public documentary not confidential research. Since the early 80's Oil&Gas have adapted there oil platforms designs to deal with incoming sea level rises. [1] We have been conned into an Antropogenic Climate Crisis for profit. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1ph_7C1Jq4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1ph_7C1Jq4 [1] https://gizmodo.com/how-big-oil-rigs-the-system-to-keep-winning-1848180128 https://gizmodo.com/how-big-oil-rigs-the-system-to-keep-winn...

gruez 4y ago

> Do you have a choice in terms of what fuel you can use for your car because I don't. >Give people cheap EV and people will drive them. Where are they today? I am not a Musk die hard fan, but if Tesla had not shaken up the car companies and threaten them we would not even have electric vehicles today. >What did we have 10 years ago? A hybrid from Toyota and a few other car makers and that was it. The way you juxtaposed this is weird. You're implying that if there isn't some pain-free way for consumers to quit fossil fuels then they're not responsible and it's all on governments/corporations. Fossil fuels are currently used because they're the cheapest source of energy, so it's entirely unreasonable to expect that you can quit them without making personal sacrifices. >Yet, it is still not legal in France(among other countries) to do so for example. Why? because the government does not want people to stop paying 60% taxes each and every time they go to the pump to refill their tank. >Supposedly it will be legal soon but guess what, they are still going to tax the used cooking oil as if it was oil from the ground. So where is the incentive to switch? That makes sense considering that the fuel taxes are for funding roads, not as some sort of carbon sin tax.

rdm_blackhole 4y ago
> The way you juxtaposed this is weird. You're implying that if there isn't some pain-free way for consumers to quit fossil fuels then they're not responsible and it's all on governments/corporations That's my point. Alternatives exists already but the governments are not enticing people to switch to EV or alternative fuel sources such as in my comment used frying oil. Instead they tax the alternative as if it was regular oil coming from the ground. You can't say that people need to switch/change habits if the alternative is no different than what you currently have. > That makes sense considering that the fuel taxes are for funding roads, not as some sort of carbon sin tax. That is not factually correct. The budget for road maintenance is not derived from these taxes. These taxes are simply used to plug the various gaps in the governments coffers. Do some of these taxes end up being used for road maintenance? Certainly so but their primary purpose is simply to generate revenue for the governments. See the articles seen on HN regarding the UK grappling with the fact that each year the fuel tax brings in around 30 Billion pounds that will need to be replaced once the transition to EV has been completed. its the same in France FYI.