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The C6 was honestly a bit of a disappointment. Yes, it felt like a last hurrah back to the glory days of Citroën with the DS and the CX, but it still fell shor

by Svip 4y ago

The C6 was honestly a bit of a disappointment. Yes, it felt like a last hurrah back to the glory days of Citroën with the DS and the CX, but it still fell short. The C6 only used the hydropneumatic system for suspension. Steering and brakes were replaced with ordinary systems. And while it gave as smooth a ride as any classic hydropneumatic Citroën, it always felt like it didn't quite get there. But the biggest sin of all, and even Top Gear mentioned this, is the lack of leg room in the backseat. Even my Xantia has better leg room there than the C6. And maintenance wise, it's a nightmare. It's nowhere as rock-solid as the XM or as "simple" as a DS. While it's probably a good investment, considering its few numbers (only 23k were made, I believe), and the fact that it's interesting, it's probably best to mostly keep it in a garage for one or two decades. I really wanted to be excited about the C6, but it's so much further down my Citroën shopping list than even a Dyane 6 (and I'm mostly into Citroën for the hydropneumatic suspension).

cfn 4y ago
I also had a Xantia at some point and the hidraulic had a complete failure while doing a 360 downhill in the sierras here in Portugal. It was mighty scary as everything failed: suspension, steering and brakes (and I got the dreaded red stop light on the dash). Thankfully I was going very slowly and there was a long straight to help me stop. I think having a separate system for the breaks is a good thing. I have to add that I was very happy with that car and my riding experience mirrors the article even though it was not a C6.
- Svip 4y ago
  The advantage of the combined suspension and braking meant that the car would adjust its brake pressure based on load. A heavier loaded car would thus brake harder with the same amount of pedal pressure. The handbrake is still entirely mechanic, and is your emergency brake in case the brakes fail (the same would be the case on a regular car). Fortunately, I've never had that experience yet, and while I've heard the stories, I am still convinced the combined steering, braking and suspension system is a mechanical superior system, even if it requires more maintenance. I'd concede, that from a maintenance's perspective, it's an inferior system. Which is probably why Citroën abandoned it.
  - wiredfool 4y ago
    My renault handbrake is electronically actuated, motor driven. It’s got all of the reliability of Renault electrical systems. Mechanically, it’s pretty solid. THere are wear issues with the front suspension, but that’s as much Ireland’s obsession with speed bumps as anything else. And there was one issue with the shared hydraulic clutch/ braking fluid system failing. But electronics? Wiring harness? Windows? Horrible. The driver's window only properly works in France. Sunroof sticks open, passenger window only goes down unless triple click force locking everything. Which is lovely when driving in 32c into a thunderstorm. (Ac? Long gone). Rear lights have totally gone a couple of times.
    - gjulianm 4y ago
      > The driver's window only properly works in France. I'm sorry... what? :D
      - semi-extrinsic 4y ago
        Probably condensation in there somewhere, and it dries up in a less humid climate.
        4ggr0 4y ago
        Sounds like climate change can be good, at least for Irish cars.
        wiredfool 4y ago
        Maybe. But some things work when super locking that don’t work otherwise. The France thing was funny, but there are far more variations in the electrical system than can be explained by just condensation.
      - wiredfool 4y ago
        Drivers window would either: not work at all, only go down unless triple clicked, be reversed (push down to go up, et vice versa), only go down and then only go up (current behavior). One week into an extended trip to France, it started working fine. It then continued to work fine until a couple of days after we returned to Ireland. This car is an adventure, rarely completely comfortable, but it has only stranded us once. (The clutch/brake thing). But it fits 5 people + dog, tows a trailer, isn’t too horrible for mileage (~35-40mpg without trailer, 30 with / 6-6.5 l/100km vs 7.9) and is paid for. (And helpfully, the passenger window now is refusing to go up. I blame Belgium, but we’ll see if that gets better with a passage through France tomorrow.). I tell you, there is no way you could ever get me to buy a Renault electric car.
atdrummond 4y ago
I feel like the last uniquely French model release was the Renault Avantime which did not set the world on fire sales wise, sadly.
- robin_reala 4y ago
  The Citroën Ami would like to disagree, it really couldn’t be anything but French. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citro%C3%ABn_Ami_%28electric%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citro%C3%ABn_Ami_%28electric%2...
- muro 4y ago
  I loved the Avantime, never had one, but wanted to one day. Top gear or grand tour (don't remember which one) really destroyed it in one of their show, so maybe it's for the best that I never wasted the money.

by Svip 4y ago

cfn 4y ago

I also had a Xantia at some point and the hidraulic had a complete failure while doing a 360 downhill in the sierras here in Portugal. It was mighty scary as everything failed: suspension, steering and brakes (and I got the dreaded red stop light on the dash). Thankfully I was going very slowly and there was a long straight to help me stop. I think having a separate system for the breaks is a good thing. I have to add that I was very happy with that car and my riding experience mirrors the article even though it was not a C6.

Svip 4y ago
The advantage of the combined suspension and braking meant that the car would adjust its brake pressure based on load. A heavier loaded car would thus brake harder with the same amount of pedal pressure. The handbrake is still entirely mechanic, and is your emergency brake in case the brakes fail (the same would be the case on a regular car). Fortunately, I've never had that experience yet, and while I've heard the stories, I am still convinced the combined steering, braking and suspension system is a mechanical superior system, even if it requires more maintenance. I'd concede, that from a maintenance's perspective, it's an inferior system. Which is probably why Citroën abandoned it.
- wiredfool 4y ago
  My renault handbrake is electronically actuated, motor driven. It’s got all of the reliability of Renault electrical systems. Mechanically, it’s pretty solid. THere are wear issues with the front suspension, but that’s as much Ireland’s obsession with speed bumps as anything else. And there was one issue with the shared hydraulic clutch/ braking fluid system failing. But electronics? Wiring harness? Windows? Horrible. The driver's window only properly works in France. Sunroof sticks open, passenger window only goes down unless triple click force locking everything. Which is lovely when driving in 32c into a thunderstorm. (Ac? Long gone). Rear lights have totally gone a couple of times.
  - gjulianm 4y ago
    > The driver's window only properly works in France. I'm sorry... what? :D
    - semi-extrinsic 4y ago
      Probably condensation in there somewhere, and it dries up in a less humid climate.
      - 4ggr0 4y ago
        Sounds like climate change can be good, at least for Irish cars.
      - wiredfool 4y ago
        Maybe. But some things work when super locking that don’t work otherwise. The France thing was funny, but there are far more variations in the electrical system than can be explained by just condensation.
    - wiredfool 4y ago
      Drivers window would either: not work at all, only go down unless triple clicked, be reversed (push down to go up, et vice versa), only go down and then only go up (current behavior). One week into an extended trip to France, it started working fine. It then continued to work fine until a couple of days after we returned to Ireland. This car is an adventure, rarely completely comfortable, but it has only stranded us once. (The clutch/brake thing). But it fits 5 people + dog, tows a trailer, isn’t too horrible for mileage (~35-40mpg without trailer, 30 with / 6-6.5 l/100km vs 7.9) and is paid for. (And helpfully, the passenger window now is refusing to go up. I blame Belgium, but we’ll see if that gets better with a passage through France tomorrow.). I tell you, there is no way you could ever get me to buy a Renault electric car.

atdrummond 4y ago

I feel like the last uniquely French model release was the Renault Avantime which did not set the world on fire sales wise, sadly.

robin_reala 4y ago
The Citroën Ami would like to disagree, it really couldn’t be anything but French. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citro%C3%ABn_Ami_%28electric%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citro%C3%ABn_Ami_%28electric%2...
muro 4y ago
I loved the Avantime, never had one, but wanted to one day. Top gear or grand tour (don't remember which one) really destroyed it in one of their show, so maybe it's for the best that I never wasted the money.