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>creative Lockheed marketing assured It was bribery and corruption - not marketing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_bribery_scandals https://en.wikiped

by tokai 4y ago

>creative Lockheed marketing assured It was bribery and corruption - not marketing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_bribery_scandals https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_bribery_scandals

hef19898 4y ago
There is a reason Franz-Josef Strauss became as rich as he did being a "mere" minister and state prime minister. He never got caught so... In the end his insistence on a multirole fighter and the fighter being the F-104G (already almost oboslete at the time) killed a lot of pilots. Great example to show the cost of corruption.
- rob74 4y ago
  Don't mention that in Bavaria though, or you risk being driven out of town. He's still a legend here, especially for the ruling party (CSU) of this virtual one-party state. The Munich airport is named after him, and AFAIK the current state prime minister still has a bust of him on his desk.
  - mschuster91 4y ago
    > He's still a legend here, especially for the ruling party (CSU) of this virtual one-party state. The CSU, thank God, hasn't been ruling alone since 2018 and it is highly unlikely that they will ever be able to do so again. They will be in government for a long time though, mostly because the SPD in Bavaria is an ongoing clusterfuck and won't rise high enough to form a red-green coalition. > The Munich airport is named after him, and AFAIK the current state prime minister still has a bust of him on his desk. It's even worse. When normal young people had posters of semi-naked stars and starlets, Söder's bed was adorned by a FJS poster [1]. [1] https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/markus-soeder-spott-fuer-facebook-post-mit-franz-josef-strauss-a-1044424.html https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/markus-soeder-spo...
    - hef19898 4y ago
      Oh yeah, the CSU woreships this guy... And after all certain CSU poloticians, including, allegedly, Strauss own daughter, did during the pandemic with mask deliveries, the CSU really learned well from him. You don't get driven from town so for calling him out anymore. That moved to villages a while ago, otherwise I would have had some serious issues back at school.
    - rob74 4y ago
      Let's see... they already had a coalition government once (2008-20013) with the FDP, with the result that during the next elections the FDP lost so many votes that they weren't represented in the next parliament. Then they ruled alone for 5 more years, and since 2018 they have a coalition with the "Freie Wähler", which is a loose grouping of ex-CSU members. Let's see how well they will fare in the next elections. So far the only remarkable thing about them that the press reported is that their boss and now deputy prime minister Hubert Aiwanger is a vaccine skeptic...
      - hef19898 4y ago
        Aiwanger is also a general weirdo, profited heavily from increased wood prices (he is after all a not to small farmer and owns considerably sized forests). I loved his comment about good Bavarians carrying a knife. Good thing about the FW is that the AfD has some serious, and arguably less critical, competition.
        mschuster91 4y ago
        > Good thing about the FW is that the AfD has some serious, and arguably less critical, competition. I'd prefer the FDP to take up that role like they do in federal government. While I in no way like or support the populist bullshit that the FDP pulls (e.g. their questionable appeasement towards COVID deniers), they're at least somewhat grounded in democracy. The FW are dangerous because of their structure - grab up enough support locally to run under their banner and you can talk whatever shit you want, including cuddling up with the far right [1]. [1] https://www.endstation-rechts.de/news/freie-wahler-sachsen-zwischen-neuer-rechter-und-wutburgern https://www.endstation-rechts.de/news/freie-wahler-sachsen-z...

by tokai 4y ago

>creative Lockheed marketing assured It was bribery and corruption - not marketing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_bribery_scandals https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_bribery_scandals

hef19898 4y ago

There is a reason Franz-Josef Strauss became as rich as he did being a "mere" minister and state prime minister. He never got caught so... In the end his insistence on a multirole fighter and the fighter being the F-104G (already almost oboslete at the time) killed a lot of pilots. Great example to show the cost of corruption.

rob74 4y ago
Don't mention that in Bavaria though, or you risk being driven out of town. He's still a legend here, especially for the ruling party (CSU) of this virtual one-party state. The Munich airport is named after him, and AFAIK the current state prime minister still has a bust of him on his desk.
- mschuster91 4y ago
  > He's still a legend here, especially for the ruling party (CSU) of this virtual one-party state. The CSU, thank God, hasn't been ruling alone since 2018 and it is highly unlikely that they will ever be able to do so again. They will be in government for a long time though, mostly because the SPD in Bavaria is an ongoing clusterfuck and won't rise high enough to form a red-green coalition. > The Munich airport is named after him, and AFAIK the current state prime minister still has a bust of him on his desk. It's even worse. When normal young people had posters of semi-naked stars and starlets, Söder's bed was adorned by a FJS poster [1]. [1] https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/markus-soeder-spott-fuer-facebook-post-mit-franz-josef-strauss-a-1044424.html https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/markus-soeder-spo...
  - hef19898 4y ago
    Oh yeah, the CSU woreships this guy... And after all certain CSU poloticians, including, allegedly, Strauss own daughter, did during the pandemic with mask deliveries, the CSU really learned well from him. You don't get driven from town so for calling him out anymore. That moved to villages a while ago, otherwise I would have had some serious issues back at school.
  - rob74 4y ago
    Let's see... they already had a coalition government once (2008-20013) with the FDP, with the result that during the next elections the FDP lost so many votes that they weren't represented in the next parliament. Then they ruled alone for 5 more years, and since 2018 they have a coalition with the "Freie Wähler", which is a loose grouping of ex-CSU members. Let's see how well they will fare in the next elections. So far the only remarkable thing about them that the press reported is that their boss and now deputy prime minister Hubert Aiwanger is a vaccine skeptic...
    - hef19898 4y ago
      Aiwanger is also a general weirdo, profited heavily from increased wood prices (he is after all a not to small farmer and owns considerably sized forests). I loved his comment about good Bavarians carrying a knife. Good thing about the FW is that the AfD has some serious, and arguably less critical, competition.
      - mschuster91 4y ago
        > Good thing about the FW is that the AfD has some serious, and arguably less critical, competition. I'd prefer the FDP to take up that role like they do in federal government. While I in no way like or support the populist bullshit that the FDP pulls (e.g. their questionable appeasement towards COVID deniers), they're at least somewhat grounded in democracy. The FW are dangerous because of their structure - grab up enough support locally to run under their banner and you can talk whatever shit you want, including cuddling up with the far right [1]. [1] https://www.endstation-rechts.de/news/freie-wahler-sachsen-zwischen-neuer-rechter-und-wutburgern https://www.endstation-rechts.de/news/freie-wahler-sachsen-z...