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These are all issues, which are a direct result of the choices PINE64 made - to put the switch inside and to install Manjaro Plasma as the default OS! And this

These are all issues, which are a direct result of the choices PINE64 made - to put the switch inside and to install Manjaro Plasma as the default OS! And this is also poor testing - they ship their brand new Pinebook Pro with outdated distro and did not test it against the latest packages, which break it! All these are poor choices on my end. It's not about my comfort - I don't want to have to unscrew the brand new laptop on day 1!

theamk 4y ago
I think we have established that you are not a target audience of the pinebook. There a nice big warning on the page that "These pre-orders are meant for enthusiasts" and it seems you are not one.
- nikolay 4y ago
  You established wrong! I am an enthusiast, just not enthusiastic about dealing with poor choices and faulty procedures on day 1!
ev1 4y ago
> they ship their brand new Pinebook Pro with outdated distro Honestly, it was probably physically built months ago. Shipping takes like a year. > to install Manjaro Plasma as the default OS This is custom SOC that Manjaro's community specifically built out support for, including PinePhone too. Other distros don't really do this, and PINE do give back to Manjaro for it. > to put the switch inside I have very serious difficulty trying to figure out what the problem is with putting a switch that controls eMMC next to the eMMC board. Which is a hardware board that is attached to the SOC, not an external or hotswappable drive. I don't think this is unreasonable? > It's not about my comfort - I don't want to have to unscrew the brand new laptop on day 1! The PINE store warns on nearly every single page in large red text that this is not for non-tinkerers. And explicitly tells you to not order if you want something right out of the box. I understand that you want a laptop, but this is very much not a "laptop that I can just throw linux and use a browser" on. For that get a thinkpad or something.
- nikolay 4y ago
  A custom build bricking is sounds even worse - both sides screwed up! I am a tinkerer, but this is not a welcoming experience!

theamk 4y ago

I think we have established that you are not a target audience of the pinebook. There a nice big warning on the page that "These pre-orders are meant for enthusiasts" and it seems you are not one.

nikolay 4y ago
You established wrong! I am an enthusiast, just not enthusiastic about dealing with poor choices and faulty procedures on day 1!

ev1 4y ago

> they ship their brand new Pinebook Pro with outdated distro Honestly, it was probably physically built months ago. Shipping takes like a year. > to install Manjaro Plasma as the default OS This is custom SOC that Manjaro's community specifically built out support for, including PinePhone too. Other distros don't really do this, and PINE do give back to Manjaro for it. > to put the switch inside I have very serious difficulty trying to figure out what the problem is with putting a switch that controls eMMC next to the eMMC board. Which is a hardware board that is attached to the SOC, not an external or hotswappable drive. I don't think this is unreasonable? > It's not about my comfort - I don't want to have to unscrew the brand new laptop on day 1! The PINE store warns on nearly every single page in large red text that this is not for non-tinkerers. And explicitly tells you to not order if you want something right out of the box. I understand that you want a laptop, but this is very much not a "laptop that I can just throw linux and use a browser" on. For that get a thinkpad or something.

nikolay 4y ago
A custom build bricking is sounds even worse - both sides screwed up! I am a tinkerer, but this is not a welcoming experience!