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Asians in the fold longterm?! May I ask how you see nothing wrong with targeting people based on race to support a political party? Perhaps you accidentally s

by _8j50 4y ago

Asians in the fold longterm?! May I ask how you see nothing wrong with targeting people based on race to support a political party? Perhaps you accidentally said the quiet part aloud?

tptacek 4y ago
There is nothing at all unreasonable about talking about race affinities to parties; it's a hugely discussed topic (for instance: the erosion of Latino support from the Democrats in the border states).
- _8j50 4y ago
  You are right that this is done frequently but that does not make it right. When Bernie lost the democratic nomination against biden for example, there were a lot of angry (and some downright racist) democrats against black people in NC who voted for biden for example. Race being a social construct and all, expecting people to align their political views on racial dividers is enforcement of the very divisions that enable and sustain systemic racism. I can say the same thing about product marketing as well. Should black people vote against republicans because republicans are racist? No! That is liberal racism at its best. However you can say democrats have policies and track record that demonstrates they will make changes that benefits people in specific areas who could be black,white,latino,etc... and educated voters should vote for the party that benefits them not against the party that hates them. Even though there are two parties, it is that way because of such politics. A person being expected to vote a certain way because of birth-time biological factors is unjust and unfair at the most basic level regardless of the choices at hand. To anyone considering voting for one party because they hate the other, please, I beg of you, if you love your country don't vote.
  - tptacek 4y ago
    If you want to understand more about the connection between the Democratic party and Black voters, you might start with "Steadfast Democrats" by Ismail White and Chryl Laird, which goes into the history and talks a bit about how both cultural changes and changing political dynamics might change that relationship (for instance: the Black church is a huge component of Black voting). There's nothing racist about studying and understanding these things. There's definitely something racist about saying Black people "can't" vote Republican, or should for some reason vote for Sanders (Black Democrats are to the right of white Democrats).
    - _8j50 4y ago
      Thanks. I agree with you in that studying these things is not a problem. Expectations and assumptions in a social setting however are imo, I think I agree with you then. It isn't just black but all sorts of other demographics including people from "fly over" midwest states that are more to the center. Same for republicans, plenty are not trumpists. The problem is no viable third party, imo, the deeper root cause is the fact that the president is elected by the people instead of legislature combined with "winner takes all" voting system. There is no requirement that stipulates in order for an executive branch of government to be valid, the majority (or even 55%+) of legislature's seats need to form a supporting coalition (this is why Israel has been without a proper government for a months now unless that changed).

by _8j50 4y ago

Asians in the fold longterm?! May I ask how you see nothing wrong with targeting people based on race to support a political party? Perhaps you accidentally said the quiet part aloud?

tptacek 4y ago

There is nothing at all unreasonable about talking about race affinities to parties; it's a hugely discussed topic (for instance: the erosion of Latino support from the Democrats in the border states).

_8j50 4y ago
You are right that this is done frequently but that does not make it right. When Bernie lost the democratic nomination against biden for example, there were a lot of angry (and some downright racist) democrats against black people in NC who voted for biden for example. Race being a social construct and all, expecting people to align their political views on racial dividers is enforcement of the very divisions that enable and sustain systemic racism. I can say the same thing about product marketing as well. Should black people vote against republicans because republicans are racist? No! That is liberal racism at its best. However you can say democrats have policies and track record that demonstrates they will make changes that benefits people in specific areas who could be black,white,latino,etc... and educated voters should vote for the party that benefits them not against the party that hates them. Even though there are two parties, it is that way because of such politics. A person being expected to vote a certain way because of birth-time biological factors is unjust and unfair at the most basic level regardless of the choices at hand. To anyone considering voting for one party because they hate the other, please, I beg of you, if you love your country don't vote.
- tptacek 4y ago
  If you want to understand more about the connection between the Democratic party and Black voters, you might start with "Steadfast Democrats" by Ismail White and Chryl Laird, which goes into the history and talks a bit about how both cultural changes and changing political dynamics might change that relationship (for instance: the Black church is a huge component of Black voting). There's nothing racist about studying and understanding these things. There's definitely something racist about saying Black people "can't" vote Republican, or should for some reason vote for Sanders (Black Democrats are to the right of white Democrats).
  - _8j50 4y ago
    Thanks. I agree with you in that studying these things is not a problem. Expectations and assumptions in a social setting however are imo, I think I agree with you then. It isn't just black but all sorts of other demographics including people from "fly over" midwest states that are more to the center. Same for republicans, plenty are not trumpists. The problem is no viable third party, imo, the deeper root cause is the fact that the president is elected by the people instead of legislature combined with "winner takes all" voting system. There is no requirement that stipulates in order for an executive branch of government to be valid, the majority (or even 55%+) of legislature's seats need to form a supporting coalition (this is why Israel has been without a proper government for a months now unless that changed).