You gotta compare it to the counterfactual, don't you? Maybe it's not going up as steeply as it would've otherwise. Maybe it's not curving up as sharply. Maybe

You gotta compare it to the counterfactual, don't you? Maybe it's not going up as steeply as it would've otherwise. Maybe it's not curving up as sharply. Maybe the models that project the degrees warming are more sophisticated than just whether the line is pointing up or down. In order to make a line start to go down, you gotta bend the curve first, and we have been doing that. There's a long way to go, but we haven't done nothing.