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Yes, 65$ an hour for the (relatively low) possibility of a burnt rissoto is truly an injustice. The alternative is that your company expects you to actually wo

Yes, 65$ an hour for the (relatively low) possibility of a burnt rissoto is truly an injustice. The alternative is that your company expects you to actually work full time for the weekend, since that's what they're paying you for. Is that really what you want?

Tao3300 4y ago
> The alternative is that your company expects you to actually work full time for the weekend That's a strawman. Surely there are more alternatives, so I question whether or not you're acting in good faith. There's some dissonance here bc I see you getting viciously defensive (is that really what you want?) over something you're presumably happy about?
- joshuamorton 4y ago
  No I mean economically speaking, of you are being paid your full time (or time and a half rate) the company is rationally going to expect you to actually work during that time. If the company is paying the (overtime) cost of full time work, why would they expect less? Like unless you believe that there is truly no difference in the imposition of "normal" work and oncall situations, and you believe that no one else who is rational can see a difference, it follows that oncall will be compensated less, because it is a lesser imposition to the people who choose to do it. If you believe there are other rational alternatives, present them. Don't deal in innuendo and then claim I'm acting in bad faith. Nor am I being defensive, lol. I absolutely, in good faith, do not believe you fully understand the effects of what you and others in this thread are suggesting. And given that you weren't able to present any alternatives, I still really don't think you do. And the whole take is stupidly privileged, to boot. "I'm only going to get so many risottos in my life". Getting paid $65 an hour to not cook risotto is not an imposition to most people, or even most software engineers.
  - thfuran 4y ago
    >Like unless you believe that there is truly no difference in the imposition of "normal" work and oncall situations, and you believe that no one else who is rational can see a difference There is a difference—the on call shift is more of an imposition. During regular hours, I could just decide to go for a walk for twenty minutes and nobody cares. I can't do that if I need to be able to have a few minute response time.
    - joshuamorton 4y ago
      You absolutely can though, it just has to be laps around the block instead of walking straight away (or coordinated with a secondary or...)

Tao3300 4y ago

> The alternative is that your company expects you to actually work full time for the weekend That's a strawman. Surely there are more alternatives, so I question whether or not you're acting in good faith. There's some dissonance here bc I see you getting viciously defensive (is that really what you want?) over something you're presumably happy about?

joshuamorton 4y ago
No I mean economically speaking, of you are being paid your full time (or time and a half rate) the company is rationally going to expect you to actually work during that time. If the company is paying the (overtime) cost of full time work, why would they expect less? Like unless you believe that there is truly no difference in the imposition of "normal" work and oncall situations, and you believe that no one else who is rational can see a difference, it follows that oncall will be compensated less, because it is a lesser imposition to the people who choose to do it. If you believe there are other rational alternatives, present them. Don't deal in innuendo and then claim I'm acting in bad faith. Nor am I being defensive, lol. I absolutely, in good faith, do not believe you fully understand the effects of what you and others in this thread are suggesting. And given that you weren't able to present any alternatives, I still really don't think you do. And the whole take is stupidly privileged, to boot. "I'm only going to get so many risottos in my life". Getting paid $65 an hour to not cook risotto is not an imposition to most people, or even most software engineers.
- thfuran 4y ago
  >Like unless you believe that there is truly no difference in the imposition of "normal" work and oncall situations, and you believe that no one else who is rational can see a difference There is a difference—the on call shift is more of an imposition. During regular hours, I could just decide to go for a walk for twenty minutes and nobody cares. I can't do that if I need to be able to have a few minute response time.
  - joshuamorton 4y ago
    You absolutely can though, it just has to be laps around the block instead of walking straight away (or coordinated with a secondary or...)