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It is actually much worse than that. If your previous employer flags you as "not eligible for rehiring" then Experian is gonna tell that to your new employer:

It is actually much worse than that. If your previous employer flags you as "not eligible for rehiring" then Experian is gonna tell that to your new employer: https://www.experian.com/blogs/employer-services/employment-verification-and-reference-checks-differences/ https://www.experian.com/blogs/employer-services/employment-...

gruez 4y ago
Okay but where does that leave my original question? The link you provided seems to suggest that employers can't dox you without your consent. In that case what experian provides isn't really different from your potential future employer asking for your w-2 from your previous job. >If your previous employer flags you as "not eligible for rehiring" then Experian is gonna tell that to your new employer: Isn't "eligible for rehire" or "would you hire this person again" a standard question to ask when checking references? It's certainly something that can work against you, but hardly something you can solely blame experian for enabling.
- petilon 4y ago
  > The link you provided seems to suggest that employers can't dox you without your consent. What on that page suggested that to you? > Isn't "eligible for rehire" or "would you hire this person again" a standard question to ask when checking references? The difference here is, a third-party company is providing that information about you without your consent.
  - gruez 4y ago
    >What on that page suggested that to you? The "Obtaining Authorization" heading. >The difference here is, a third-party company is providing that information about you without your consent. Do you take offense at your former employer providing the same "information about you without your consent"? More fundamentally, what makes you think you have exclusive control over the piece of information in question?
    - petilon 4y ago
      > The "Obtaining Authorization" heading. Did you notice the list of things you need to "obtain authorization" for doesn't include salary? > what makes you think you have exclusive control over the piece of information in question Access to courts. If my previous employer prevents me from getting a job, then (depending on circumstances) I may be able to collect damages from them. For that reason, former employers are usually reticent about what they say. Now if a third-party provides that information and I don't even know about it, then that's an even greater encroachment on my rights.
      - gruez 4y ago
        >Did you notice the list of things you need to "obtain authorization" for doesn't include salary? Did you notice that in the "Employment Verification" section, it literally says "Salary amount, if allowed"? It's pretty obvious what's happening here is that "verifying the employment" refers to validating every piece of information mentioned above, including salary. Moreover, your alternative interpretation (ie. they require authorization to tell a company that you worked for Acme corp but don't require authorization to tell people that you made $80k last year) doesn't really make sense. Finally, if you're going to allege something shady is going on, you should really find better sources than trying to read between the lines of a blog post. Something explicit from experian or a trusted source would be preferred.
        petilon 4y ago
        > "Salary amount, if allowed"? That's pretty vague, isn't it? Allowed by whom? That could easily mean "if you have paid Experian for the extra information". They could have used the words "with consent" instead of "if allowed", and to me that is telling. > Finally, if you're going to allege something shady is going on... I have provided a link for something worse... information provided by Experian can be used to deny you medical care! See the link below. That isn't shady enough for you? https://thetoolsweneed.com/poorly-secured-medical-credit-score-could-deny-you-care/ https://thetoolsweneed.com/poorly-secured-medical-credit-sco...
- 8note 4y ago
  Why wouldn't employers share your w2 with Experian?

gruez 4y ago

Okay but where does that leave my original question? The link you provided seems to suggest that employers can't dox you without your consent. In that case what experian provides isn't really different from your potential future employer asking for your w-2 from your previous job. >If your previous employer flags you as "not eligible for rehiring" then Experian is gonna tell that to your new employer: Isn't "eligible for rehire" or "would you hire this person again" a standard question to ask when checking references? It's certainly something that can work against you, but hardly something you can solely blame experian for enabling.

petilon 4y ago
> The link you provided seems to suggest that employers can't dox you without your consent. What on that page suggested that to you? > Isn't "eligible for rehire" or "would you hire this person again" a standard question to ask when checking references? The difference here is, a third-party company is providing that information about you without your consent.
- gruez 4y ago
  >What on that page suggested that to you? The "Obtaining Authorization" heading. >The difference here is, a third-party company is providing that information about you without your consent. Do you take offense at your former employer providing the same "information about you without your consent"? More fundamentally, what makes you think you have exclusive control over the piece of information in question?
  - petilon 4y ago
    > The "Obtaining Authorization" heading. Did you notice the list of things you need to "obtain authorization" for doesn't include salary? > what makes you think you have exclusive control over the piece of information in question Access to courts. If my previous employer prevents me from getting a job, then (depending on circumstances) I may be able to collect damages from them. For that reason, former employers are usually reticent about what they say. Now if a third-party provides that information and I don't even know about it, then that's an even greater encroachment on my rights.
    - gruez 4y ago
      >Did you notice the list of things you need to "obtain authorization" for doesn't include salary? Did you notice that in the "Employment Verification" section, it literally says "Salary amount, if allowed"? It's pretty obvious what's happening here is that "verifying the employment" refers to validating every piece of information mentioned above, including salary. Moreover, your alternative interpretation (ie. they require authorization to tell a company that you worked for Acme corp but don't require authorization to tell people that you made $80k last year) doesn't really make sense. Finally, if you're going to allege something shady is going on, you should really find better sources than trying to read between the lines of a blog post. Something explicit from experian or a trusted source would be preferred.
      - petilon 4y ago
        > "Salary amount, if allowed"? That's pretty vague, isn't it? Allowed by whom? That could easily mean "if you have paid Experian for the extra information". They could have used the words "with consent" instead of "if allowed", and to me that is telling. > Finally, if you're going to allege something shady is going on... I have provided a link for something worse... information provided by Experian can be used to deny you medical care! See the link below. That isn't shady enough for you? https://thetoolsweneed.com/poorly-secured-medical-credit-score-could-deny-you-care/ https://thetoolsweneed.com/poorly-secured-medical-credit-sco...
8note 4y ago
Why wouldn't employers share your w2 with Experian?