> Are you implying that GCJ was any more certified than Harmony? No I am not. I am, however implying GCJ was as uncertified as Harmony, meaning they were seen

> Are you implying that GCJ was any more certified than Harmony? No I am not. I am, however implying GCJ was as uncertified as Harmony, meaning they were seen as somewhat equals, despite Harmony's superiority (IMO). The situation would have been very different if Harmony had been officially blessed as Java, but I understand Sun's reluctance in cutting off its own revenue stream > As in none. GCJ and Harmony were the most well known Free/open source Java (the language) compilers, and were the choices available to distros that do not promote proprietary software. These, as you stated, were not Sun-certified Java™ due to the TCK situation - but they could compile java projects well enough.