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> Not to mention that no product can survive without love and support from its devs. That's independent from being oncall. I prefer to spend my non 9-5 time w

> Not to mention that no product can survive without love and support from its devs. That's independent from being oncall. I prefer to spend my non 9-5 time with my wife and daughter. Sadly, many 'innovative' companies out there don't like this mindset of mine and reject people just because they don't want to do oncall rotations.

alex3305 4y ago
Besides that, I simply need my rest and sleep to relax and be able to perform again. I love working in a team, as a team. But work is still work for me. I don't really care about some paid company holiday weekend or something. I'd rather do something nice with family or friends.
powerhour 4y ago
I'd prefer that as well, however I end up being the one woken up because your (the generic you) code has errors. If you're not willing to be on call I hope you're at least "willing" to be terminated if your code wakes someone up every day of their rotation (yeah, been there).
- WFHRenaissance 4y ago
  This is a management/hiring issue. You (generic you) should stop hiring engineers who don't give a frick about their teammates.
- lmarcos 4y ago
  If you are not willing to work outside 9-5, if you are not willing to sacrifice your scarce free time, then you must produce perfect bugfree code. Is that? I have to give it to the companies and to the whole devops/agile movement. They have truly convinced us that being oncall is the right thing somehow. And that non oncall engineers are a somewhat inferior race.
  - dvtrn 4y ago
    Maybe it’s not about anting to write perfect code but a higher business unit that starts wildfires because a important and influential stakeholder from that one group of high paying customers complained loudly about something not working at 2am and next thing you know there’s a “planning for on call” meeting on your calendar Ok simplification of affairs here but…I mean…
  - powerhour 4y ago
    When the alternative is expecting someone else to give up their scarce free time, yeah, you'd better be producing perfect code or work somewhere that doesn't care about overnight outages.

alex3305 4y ago

Besides that, I simply need my rest and sleep to relax and be able to perform again. I love working in a team, as a team. But work is still work for me. I don't really care about some paid company holiday weekend or something. I'd rather do something nice with family or friends.

powerhour 4y ago

I'd prefer that as well, however I end up being the one woken up because your (the generic you) code has errors. If you're not willing to be on call I hope you're at least "willing" to be terminated if your code wakes someone up every day of their rotation (yeah, been there).

WFHRenaissance 4y ago
This is a management/hiring issue. You (generic you) should stop hiring engineers who don't give a frick about their teammates.
lmarcos 4y ago
If you are not willing to work outside 9-5, if you are not willing to sacrifice your scarce free time, then you must produce perfect bugfree code. Is that? I have to give it to the companies and to the whole devops/agile movement. They have truly convinced us that being oncall is the right thing somehow. And that non oncall engineers are a somewhat inferior race.
- dvtrn 4y ago
  Maybe it’s not about anting to write perfect code but a higher business unit that starts wildfires because a important and influential stakeholder from that one group of high paying customers complained loudly about something not working at 2am and next thing you know there’s a “planning for on call” meeting on your calendar Ok simplification of affairs here but…I mean…
- powerhour 4y ago
  When the alternative is expecting someone else to give up their scarce free time, yeah, you'd better be producing perfect code or work somewhere that doesn't care about overnight outages.