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Wars have always been horrifying. This war is no exception. The only difference now vs then is that the general public has Internet & social media. The terrors

Wars have always been horrifying. This war is no exception. The only difference now vs then is that the general public has Internet & social media. The terrors are now 100 times magnified. In truth this war is not special in any way. It isn't even the first war of this century (Afghanistan, Yemen, Iraq, Syria, Palestine etc). Perhaps the horrors seem more real now because it's at Europe's doorstep but the rest of the world never really experienced peace. So when I read something like this I am sickened by the one-sided biased view as if the rest of the world hasn't been waging war amongst themselves, as if Russia broke a century long peace. Look at the state of all the war-stricken cities and you'll see the consequences. Why did no one say "We need to talk" then?

hacym 4y ago
Uh… they did? And are? The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan became extremely unpopular. People were willing to call it what it is — an overall stain on modern American history. People have always been anti-war. War is rarely a universally accepted option, even if it seems like it is. If you’re saying there isn’t anything different about the Ukrainian war, I’d assert you’re wrong. Russia, and more specifically Putin, has proven they are willing to be an existential threat to humanity via their nuclear weapons. The US waged a war in Iraq, and despite anyone’s opinions, right or wrong, they never once even hinted at the use of tactical nuclear warfare. Russia is the only country that does this and actually had the capabilities. Because of this, the threat is far different than wars fought this past century. Russia is one of a handful of counties that possess this power. I don’t think it’s “one-sided bias” to accept this truth and understand the meaning of it in a larger context.
- longrod 4y ago
  I would like to remind you that US is the ONLY country that actually has decimated 2 (not 1) cities using nuclear warheads. So saying that Russia has that capability while America doesn't is simply false. Did not America threaten to use nuclear warheads in Afghanistan? It literally went into Iraq after the made-up threat of nuclear weapons in Iraq. I don't think the West ever spoke out against America when it waged all those wars. Oh it does now but now it has become political. The wars have been waged, cities have been destroyed, civilians are dead, and so these wars become unpopular. No one stood up to stop those wars and I bet no one will stand up again. So no, Russia-Ukraine war is not different because Russian has nuclear warheads. It's wrong. It's bad. It's consequences will be horrifying. All true. But in this instance, nothing puts it apart from all the other wars. There's a difference between being anti-war and being silent. Silence is acceptance. And the world remained silent when people were dying in all those war-stricken countries. Just to put things into perspective: America went into Afghanistan and stayed there for 20 years. 20 years long invasion. How long in Iraq? How long in Vietnam? Now Russia opens a front against Ukraine and suddenly everyone thinks it's different. It's not. It's the same thing in a different country. Big oppressing small. Sending a message etc etc.
  - ptico 4y ago
    You must be ignorant as hell. Russia opens a front? Really? Few millions people was forcefully deported. Children are separated from their parents. Filtration camps on occupied territories. Mass executions of civilians in Bucha, Borodyanka, Vorzel and other cities. Child rapes. Everyday’s indiscriminate shelling of civilian infrastructure with a rocket artillery. Latest shelling of the largest nuclear plant in Europe. Nothing different? Really?
  - moistly 4y ago
    > I don't think the West ever spoke out against America when it waged all those wars. Oh for christssake. There were so many global protests against the Iraq war that there’s an entire fucking Wikipedia dedicated to them. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_the_Iraq_War https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_the_Iraq_Wa... You can Google “protest against Afghanistan war” and see that … well, fuck, there is, again, an entire page of Wikipedia documentation. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_the_war_in_Afghanistan https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_the_war_in_... The only conceivable excuse for your ignorance would be that you were born after 2010.
  - hacym 4y ago
    I’ll be honest, I stopped reading after this: > Did not America threaten to use nuclear warheads in Afghanistan? It literally went into Iraq after the made-up threat of nuclear weapons in Iraq. No, America never threatened to nuke Afghanistan. Also, I never said America doesn’t have the capability. But one country is using it as their lifeline to make sure they aren’t ripped apart by the rest of the world and one doesn’t even bring it up. Be anti-American or whatever all you want, but what’s the point in lying on the internet where information is so easy to simply Google?
- Brian_K_White 4y ago
  "we need to talk" is what you say when you're delivering new unwelcome news. We need to talk. Look, no one want's to say it because we love you and don't want to hurt your feelings, but your breath is really bad. I'm sorry to have to say it but really it's ok just if address it I promise we'll never mention it again and no one holds it against you. Wars have always been happeneing and happening everywhere, and they've always been exactly as bad as this or worse. It's not new and it's not news. There is nothing uniquely bad about this one, and this article brings nothing to light the way it purports to, and the trivializing "we need to talk" wording is just plain weird.

hacym 4y ago

Uh… they did? And are? The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan became extremely unpopular. People were willing to call it what it is — an overall stain on modern American history. People have always been anti-war. War is rarely a universally accepted option, even if it seems like it is. If you’re saying there isn’t anything different about the Ukrainian war, I’d assert you’re wrong. Russia, and more specifically Putin, has proven they are willing to be an existential threat to humanity via their nuclear weapons. The US waged a war in Iraq, and despite anyone’s opinions, right or wrong, they never once even hinted at the use of tactical nuclear warfare. Russia is the only country that does this and actually had the capabilities. Because of this, the threat is far different than wars fought this past century. Russia is one of a handful of counties that possess this power. I don’t think it’s “one-sided bias” to accept this truth and understand the meaning of it in a larger context.

longrod 4y ago
I would like to remind you that US is the ONLY country that actually has decimated 2 (not 1) cities using nuclear warheads. So saying that Russia has that capability while America doesn't is simply false. Did not America threaten to use nuclear warheads in Afghanistan? It literally went into Iraq after the made-up threat of nuclear weapons in Iraq. I don't think the West ever spoke out against America when it waged all those wars. Oh it does now but now it has become political. The wars have been waged, cities have been destroyed, civilians are dead, and so these wars become unpopular. No one stood up to stop those wars and I bet no one will stand up again. So no, Russia-Ukraine war is not different because Russian has nuclear warheads. It's wrong. It's bad. It's consequences will be horrifying. All true. But in this instance, nothing puts it apart from all the other wars. There's a difference between being anti-war and being silent. Silence is acceptance. And the world remained silent when people were dying in all those war-stricken countries. Just to put things into perspective: America went into Afghanistan and stayed there for 20 years. 20 years long invasion. How long in Iraq? How long in Vietnam? Now Russia opens a front against Ukraine and suddenly everyone thinks it's different. It's not. It's the same thing in a different country. Big oppressing small. Sending a message etc etc.
- ptico 4y ago
  You must be ignorant as hell. Russia opens a front? Really? Few millions people was forcefully deported. Children are separated from their parents. Filtration camps on occupied territories. Mass executions of civilians in Bucha, Borodyanka, Vorzel and other cities. Child rapes. Everyday’s indiscriminate shelling of civilian infrastructure with a rocket artillery. Latest shelling of the largest nuclear plant in Europe. Nothing different? Really?
- moistly 4y ago
  > I don't think the West ever spoke out against America when it waged all those wars. Oh for christssake. There were so many global protests against the Iraq war that there’s an entire fucking Wikipedia dedicated to them. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_the_Iraq_War https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_the_Iraq_Wa... You can Google “protest against Afghanistan war” and see that … well, fuck, there is, again, an entire page of Wikipedia documentation. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_the_war_in_Afghanistan https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_the_war_in_... The only conceivable excuse for your ignorance would be that you were born after 2010.
- hacym 4y ago
  I’ll be honest, I stopped reading after this: > Did not America threaten to use nuclear warheads in Afghanistan? It literally went into Iraq after the made-up threat of nuclear weapons in Iraq. No, America never threatened to nuke Afghanistan. Also, I never said America doesn’t have the capability. But one country is using it as their lifeline to make sure they aren’t ripped apart by the rest of the world and one doesn’t even bring it up. Be anti-American or whatever all you want, but what’s the point in lying on the internet where information is so easy to simply Google?
Brian_K_White 4y ago
"we need to talk" is what you say when you're delivering new unwelcome news. We need to talk. Look, no one want's to say it because we love you and don't want to hurt your feelings, but your breath is really bad. I'm sorry to have to say it but really it's ok just if address it I promise we'll never mention it again and no one holds it against you. Wars have always been happeneing and happening everywhere, and they've always been exactly as bad as this or worse. It's not new and it's not news. There is nothing uniquely bad about this one, and this article brings nothing to light the way it purports to, and the trivializing "we need to talk" wording is just plain weird.