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To a large extent, I'd be interested in his thoughts about being open with Code. I'm an immigrant, and I'd love to do it with my kid. I'd need to have access to

To a large extent, I'd be interested in his thoughts about being open with Code. I'm an immigrant, and I'd love to do it with my kid. I'd need to have access to text, and run it through a translator to do that. I'm glad to pay the purchase fee, but a DRM'ed book is less than helpful. There are a lot of tools like nandgame which would integrate well.... Same thing for adaptations for school curricula, afterschool clubs, etc.... I'm not sure the right solution here, but it'd be awesome if there were some way to build from his work for specific contexts.

localhost 4y ago
This is a really interesting area to explore - thanks for suggesting it! I think that there are quite a few authors who have shown that there is a market for the book as well as for an open source "edition" of the book. My favorite from the past was Philip and Alex's Guide to Web Publishing [1] and perhaps more recent is the very complimentary NAND To Tetris [2] I would imagine that the hard part is dealing with the publisher and getting them on board with it as well. Added to my list! [1] https://philip.greenspun.com/panda/ https://philip.greenspun.com/panda/ [2] https://www.nand2tetris.org/ https://www.nand2tetris.org/
- frognumber 4y ago
  My favorite is SICP. https://mitpress.mit.edu/sites/default/files/sicp/full-text/book/book.html https://mitpress.mit.edu/sites/default/files/sicp/full-text/... https://web.mit.edu/6.001/6.037/sicp.pdf https://web.mit.edu/6.001/6.037/sicp.pdf It's worth noting the book comes up on most top-10 CS books and sells exceptionally well. It's been translated into countless languages. Convincing MIT Press was apparently hard the first time, but after the book sold like hotcakes, future books were easy. https://mitpress.mit.edu/sites/default/files/titles/content/sicm_edition_2/book.html https://mitpress.mit.edu/sites/default/files/titles/content/...
  - localhost 4y ago
    Thanks for that example. I had no idea that SICP was now available for free on the web! Do you remember where you heard the story about convincing MIT Press and the outcome? I took a look but couldn't find it. That might come in handy if this winds up going somewhere.
    - frognumber 4y ago
      It's been available for a long time. You can contact the author for the full story. The phone number and office are listed here: https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/gjs/ https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/gjs/ Not everything is web-based. :) I can guarantee the author will not be offended with either a phone call or by someone dropping by. On the other hand, he's less often in the office post-COVID, so it might take a few tries. Hal probably knows the story better, but he's a bit less drop-in-able. Jerry is super-friendly. (Hal is friendly too, but more random contacts go to /dev/null)
      - localhost 4y ago
        Thanks! Dropping by would be harder to do, but a dream interview would be to put him in a room with Guido van Rossum to talk about Python and SICP. I now need to get over my irrational fear of cold calling someone I don't know already (heck, I don't even do that with people that I do know - it's always "what's a good time to call"?)
        frognumber 4y ago
        Jerry and Guido? I think the conversation might be less interesting than you might hope for. SICP is 1984, almost four decades ago now. If you wanted to talk about robust programming, quantum gravity, differential geometry, education, or a slew of other topics.... As a footnote, I love Python, but someone like Jerry outclasses Guido intellectually. Guido really only did one thing, which is Python. Jerry has done dozens of things.
        localhost 4y ago
  - lkuty 4y ago
    Also available at https://github.com/sarabander/sicp https://github.com/sarabander/sicp
JonathonW 4y ago
I don't know about other stores (like the Microsoft Press store), but Code is DRM-free on InformIT, in Epub, PDF, and MOBI-- I actually don't think they sell any DRMed eBooks (they personalize and watermark each copy to discourage sharing, but are otherwise unprotected).
- frognumber 4y ago
  Thank you! Looks like I'll be buying a second copy :)
- paledot 4y ago
  The PDF I got from the Microsoft Press Store was watermarked but DRM free.

localhost 4y ago

This is a really interesting area to explore - thanks for suggesting it! I think that there are quite a few authors who have shown that there is a market for the book as well as for an open source "edition" of the book. My favorite from the past was Philip and Alex's Guide to Web Publishing [1] and perhaps more recent is the very complimentary NAND To Tetris [2] I would imagine that the hard part is dealing with the publisher and getting them on board with it as well. Added to my list! [1] https://philip.greenspun.com/panda/ https://philip.greenspun.com/panda/ [2] https://www.nand2tetris.org/ https://www.nand2tetris.org/

frognumber 4y ago
My favorite is SICP. https://mitpress.mit.edu/sites/default/files/sicp/full-text/book/book.html https://mitpress.mit.edu/sites/default/files/sicp/full-text/... https://web.mit.edu/6.001/6.037/sicp.pdf https://web.mit.edu/6.001/6.037/sicp.pdf It's worth noting the book comes up on most top-10 CS books and sells exceptionally well. It's been translated into countless languages. Convincing MIT Press was apparently hard the first time, but after the book sold like hotcakes, future books were easy. https://mitpress.mit.edu/sites/default/files/titles/content/sicm_edition_2/book.html https://mitpress.mit.edu/sites/default/files/titles/content/...
- localhost 4y ago
  Thanks for that example. I had no idea that SICP was now available for free on the web! Do you remember where you heard the story about convincing MIT Press and the outcome? I took a look but couldn't find it. That might come in handy if this winds up going somewhere.
  - frognumber 4y ago
    It's been available for a long time. You can contact the author for the full story. The phone number and office are listed here: https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/gjs/ https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/gjs/ Not everything is web-based. :) I can guarantee the author will not be offended with either a phone call or by someone dropping by. On the other hand, he's less often in the office post-COVID, so it might take a few tries. Hal probably knows the story better, but he's a bit less drop-in-able. Jerry is super-friendly. (Hal is friendly too, but more random contacts go to /dev/null)
    - localhost 4y ago
      Thanks! Dropping by would be harder to do, but a dream interview would be to put him in a room with Guido van Rossum to talk about Python and SICP. I now need to get over my irrational fear of cold calling someone I don't know already (heck, I don't even do that with people that I do know - it's always "what's a good time to call"?)
      - frognumber 4y ago
        Jerry and Guido? I think the conversation might be less interesting than you might hope for. SICP is 1984, almost four decades ago now. If you wanted to talk about robust programming, quantum gravity, differential geometry, education, or a slew of other topics.... As a footnote, I love Python, but someone like Jerry outclasses Guido intellectually. Guido really only did one thing, which is Python. Jerry has done dozens of things.
        localhost 4y ago
- lkuty 4y ago
  Also available at https://github.com/sarabander/sicp https://github.com/sarabander/sicp

JonathonW 4y ago

I don't know about other stores (like the Microsoft Press store), but Code is DRM-free on InformIT, in Epub, PDF, and MOBI-- I actually don't think they sell any DRMed eBooks (they personalize and watermark each copy to discourage sharing, but are otherwise unprotected).

frognumber 4y ago
Thank you! Looks like I'll be buying a second copy :)
paledot 4y ago
The PDF I got from the Microsoft Press Store was watermarked but DRM free.