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It's saying that people who hold anti-(scientific)consensus views generally believe themselves to be more well-educated than they actually are. That's a far cry
by sidlls 4y ago
It's saying that people who hold anti-(scientific)consensus views generally believe themselves to be more well-educated than they actually are. That's a far cry from merely being disagreeable. It doesn't seem to say anything about actually knowledgeable scientists holding anti-consensus views, except insofar as to reiterate the thesis.
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- honkkong420 4y agoIdk, anecdotally I don’t think I’m right about my heterodox nutrition views because I’m more educated, I just observe the consensus view of eating 12 servings of grain per day is wrong because I feel worse listening to their advice than eating what I naturally prefer. I don’t think education comes into play at all?
- ryanklee 4y agoEducation must come into play. Your own case illustrates this, as there is no such consensus view. And even granting the possibility that you are exaggerating for effect, it's hard to find a field of knowledge with more contention than dietary nutrition, so one has to be even more diligent about acquiring expertise and not fooling oneself.
- honkkong420 4y agoEducation matters for the consensus (for arbitrary reasons) but in my own life, my prior experiences with food inform my next meal. Education doesn’t come into play at all. Let me pose this another way, why would you expect me to change the amount of bread i eat because of another year education? I already had 13 years of teachers telling me it should be the foundation of my diet and it didn’t stick. Why would the next year of education be any different?
- joshuamorton 4y agoThe modern consensus (or perhaps official, since consensus may be different) is that you should be eating more vegetables than grains. So you appear to agree with the consensus of experts that grains should not be the basis of your diet. This has been the us governments recommendation for over a decade (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MyPlate https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MyPlate)
- xboxnolifes 4y agoThey probably weren't in primary schooling in the last 11 years. They were probably taught the food pyramid over my plate, and disagreed with it.
- joshuamorton 4y agoSure but "my personal experiences match up with the expert consensus from the past decade" (and really longer, the 2005 food pyramid was for slightly more grains than veggies, not double) isn't a particularly strong argument for disagreeing with the expert consensus. If what you're saying is "I disagree with expert consensus from the 80s", well then sure, but so does the expert consensus! That's how the scientific process works (slowly).
- honkkong420 4y agoMy argument is that my prior experiences seem to work better for guiding my meal choice than all the formal knowledge presented to me.
- pbak 4y agoWhich is ironic considering what the discussion is about: you conducted your own scientific experiment on yourself, disproved the consensus-accepted rule, and came to new conclusions. To achieve that, you needed to have enough confidence in yourself and your ability to measure and feel stuff (which some people think is bad, apparently) versus some consensus which purports to know better. Courageous new science regularly blasts old knowledge and education to bits, and that's a good things.
- oceanplexian 4y agoMaybe I’m one of the disagreeable people this article is referring to, but what is a scientific “consensus” exactly? A consensus in your country? A consensus in your region of the world? Fact is we live in a post modernist society. There is no such thing as consensus, only what particular bubble and social framework your frame of reference is operating from.