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For some context, the pilot was Anatoly Kvochur[0], who was, for my understanding, one of the best Russian test pilot. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anato
by Loic 4y ago
For some context, the pilot was Anatoly Kvochur[0], who was, for my understanding, one of the best Russian test pilot.
[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatoly_Kvochur https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatoly_Kvochur
- klausjensen 4y agoUkrainian, not Russian.
- gdy 4y agoKvochur was born in the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, he is Russian by ethnicity, and Soviet and now Russian by nationality. And he is a Russian test pilot who has worked for Sukhoi and MIG. [0] https://warheroes.ru/hero/hero.asp?Hero_id=4276 https://warheroes.ru/hero/hero.asp?Hero_id=4276
- trasz 4y agoMore like Ukrainian, given the birthplace. USSR wasn’t Russia.
- kqr 4y agoI have this rule that if you aren't sure where a famous German was born, it was Austria, and if you aren't sure where a famous French person was born, it was Belgium. Maybe I can add a Russia/Ukraine pair to that?...
- blevin 4y agoAfter your first example I expected the famous French birth prior to be Corsica.
- trasz 4y agoQuite possibly; Ukraine was a major scientific and engineering hub in USSR. Many of the things we recognise USSR for came from Ukraine, from Mriya to much of the space program. Also, Ukraine is where the civilised part of the Russian civilisation originates - Kyiv is much older than Moscow. I found Kamil Galeev a great resource on all things Russia, see eg https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1553786725025079297 https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1553786725025079297 for a random thread.
- gdy 4y ago"where the civilised part of the Russian civilisation originates" That's was comical. Go on.
- Koshkin 4y agoWell, comical or not, this is one of the ways Russian propaganda explains the need to occupy Ukraine (and to eventually make it part of Russia).
- trasz 4y agoExcept they claim it's the exact opposite way of course.
- gdy 4y agoOf course not. 'Kiev is mother of all Russian cities' and all that stuff, but nothing about separating Slavic cultures into 'civilized' and 'uncivilized'.
- trasz 4y agoThere's a fundamental difference between "Kyiv is mother of all Russian cities and thus its superior culture needs to be preserved" and "Kyiv is mother of all Russian cities and thus must be destroyed so that the bastardised Russian derivatives don't look too bad in comparison". Also, you don't see a problem with using a name promoted by the regime ("Kiev") instead of the proper one?
- gdy 4y agoYou won't find any Russian propaganda calling for destruction of the Ukrainian cities. You don't get to dictate how I write. I don't tell you how to spell Moskva.
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- gdy 4y agoKvochur was born in the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, Russian by ethnicity, and Soviet and now Russian by nationality. And he is a Russian test pilot who has worked for Sukhoi and MIG. [0] https://warheroes.ru/hero/hero.asp?Hero_id=4276 https://warheroes.ru/hero/hero.asp?Hero_id=4276
- parineum 4y agoI get that we all don't like Russia because of the war but this propensity to try and remove the attribution of anything remotely positive from them is incredibly annoying.
- gdy 4y agoWell, even long before the war I saw how on the BBC World News three British journalists talked about British astronaut flying to the ISS without even once mentioning that he got there on the Russian rocket. They mentioned Kazakhstan though and showed the rocket flying up.
- trasz 4y agoBefore which war? Because while it took the genocide in Ukraine for the world to realise Russians become literal nazis, it's been Russian modus operandi for quite a while now. Also, see how you just called it a "Russian rocket" despite the fact that things like guidance were Ukrainian? It wasn't Russian - it was Soviet, from back when USSR consisted of a number of republics, including Russia and Ukraine.
- parineum 4y agoIt's not "technically correct" but I don't think it's far from the truth to think of the USSR as Russia and the land they annexed. Plus, was it "Ukranian" or was it built by Russians with Russian money on the order of Russians in Ukraine? Like, were Americans killed by Jewish bullets in WW2 because it was Jews in the Nazi factories?