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it is still not the pedestrians' fault! call the police and make them notice it. if bike lanes are not available, they have to, by the law, use the road, not

it is still not the pedestrians' fault! call the police and make them notice it. if bike lanes are not available, they have to, by the law, use the road, not 'what the biker thinks it's best' Imagine if car drivers did the same "oh, there's a truck stuck in to middle of the road, let me cut through this park where kids are playing, at 80mph"

cogman10 4y ago
> call the police and make them notice it. They are often the ones blocking the road. > if bike lanes are not available, they have to, by the law, use the road, not 'what the biker thinks it's best' As I'm sure you are aware, laws are not universal. In Idaho where I live, cyclists are allowed on the sidewalk so long as they yield to pedestrians. [1] > Imagine if car drivers did the same "oh, there's a truck stuck in to middle of the road, let me cut through this park where kids are playing, at 80mph" Bikes and cars are different. It's perfectly reasonable to bike at 10mph on a sidewalk and where I live it happens all the time without incident. You aren't operating a 2 ton metal box with low visibility. [1] https://www.bikelaw.com/laws/idaho/ https://www.bikelaw.com/laws/idaho/
- wizofaus 4y ago
  > They are often the ones blocking the road. Hah - trust me, that's not just Italy either. Though it's more likely to be construction workers who hopefully do actually have some sort of permit to be using the bike lane, but it's still an issue for cyclists. And yeah, the moment someone starts comparing what you can safely do on a bike (where your total weight is very likely under 100kg, most of which - your body - is squishy, and is rarely moving at over 30 km/h) vs a car (literally a hard metal box weighing up to 10 times as much, and capable of speeds well over 100km/h just with the lightest touch of the driver's foot) I just tune out - the physics involved are fundamentally different.
  - cogman10 4y ago
    > Though it's more likely to be construction workers who hopefully do actually have some sort of permit to be using the bike lane, but it's still an issue for cyclists. Definitely a problem, though at least where I'm at (Idaho) it's generally the case that they are actually doing something that requires blocking SOMETHING and I get why they choose the bike lane over the sidewalk or road. That said, there are times when they just store their cones in the bike lane, and that can be super frustrating.
    - wizofaus 4y ago
      If "frustrating" was the worst of it I wouldn't waste time discussing it, but suddenly forcing cyclists in a dedicated bike lane into a busy regular traffic lane with no alternative option available is pretty obviously a recipe for disaster - admittedly it's hard to find solid evidence of cyclists being killed by such arrangements (quite a few cases of cyclists being killed riding in such lanes, seemingly all due to moving vehicles crossing their path) but there are definitely cases of very serious injury.

cogman10 4y ago

> call the police and make them notice it. They are often the ones blocking the road. > if bike lanes are not available, they have to, by the law, use the road, not 'what the biker thinks it's best' As I'm sure you are aware, laws are not universal. In Idaho where I live, cyclists are allowed on the sidewalk so long as they yield to pedestrians. [1] > Imagine if car drivers did the same "oh, there's a truck stuck in to middle of the road, let me cut through this park where kids are playing, at 80mph" Bikes and cars are different. It's perfectly reasonable to bike at 10mph on a sidewalk and where I live it happens all the time without incident. You aren't operating a 2 ton metal box with low visibility. [1] https://www.bikelaw.com/laws/idaho/ https://www.bikelaw.com/laws/idaho/

wizofaus 4y ago
> They are often the ones blocking the road. Hah - trust me, that's not just Italy either. Though it's more likely to be construction workers who hopefully do actually have some sort of permit to be using the bike lane, but it's still an issue for cyclists. And yeah, the moment someone starts comparing what you can safely do on a bike (where your total weight is very likely under 100kg, most of which - your body - is squishy, and is rarely moving at over 30 km/h) vs a car (literally a hard metal box weighing up to 10 times as much, and capable of speeds well over 100km/h just with the lightest touch of the driver's foot) I just tune out - the physics involved are fundamentally different.
- cogman10 4y ago
  > Though it's more likely to be construction workers who hopefully do actually have some sort of permit to be using the bike lane, but it's still an issue for cyclists. Definitely a problem, though at least where I'm at (Idaho) it's generally the case that they are actually doing something that requires blocking SOMETHING and I get why they choose the bike lane over the sidewalk or road. That said, there are times when they just store their cones in the bike lane, and that can be super frustrating.
  - wizofaus 4y ago
    If "frustrating" was the worst of it I wouldn't waste time discussing it, but suddenly forcing cyclists in a dedicated bike lane into a busy regular traffic lane with no alternative option available is pretty obviously a recipe for disaster - admittedly it's hard to find solid evidence of cyclists being killed by such arrangements (quite a few cases of cyclists being killed riding in such lanes, seemingly all due to moving vehicles crossing their path) but there are definitely cases of very serious injury.