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And obviously bikes can operate at a range of speeds, if I feel like I need to go on the sidewalk for safety reasons and there's any other people I stick to a p

And obviously bikes can operate at a range of speeds, if I feel like I need to go on the sidewalk for safety reasons and there's any other people I stick to a pace comparable to someone jogging.

bryanlarsen 4y ago
If you want to take your bicycle on the sidewalk, you're welcome to walk your bike.
- wolfram74 4y ago
  A mounted bicyclist at a walking pace has a lower cross section than a parent with a stroller or a person in a wheelchair. Sidewalks are multi-modal, until we can get rid of the scourge of cars, anybody opting not to use them should be encouraged as long they're being civil.
  - bryanlarsen 4y ago
    Try testing that theory. If you walk your bike in a crowd, the crowd will pack in the space around you very efficiently. If you ride your bike at walking speed, the crowd will give you quite a wide buffer zone. You are less predictable, and most bikes at that low of a speed are very wobbly. Thus you talk less space walking your bike despite the wider cross section.
    - amrocha 4y ago
      Nobody is riding their bike in a crowd mate
      - bryanlarsen 4y ago
        Then the objection I'm replying to is also irrelevant.
        amrocha 4y ago
        It's not, bikes fit in sidewalks just fine
    - jimmux 4y ago
      This isn't true in my experience. I have ridden through areas like this often, because for some reason my city put one of the main bicycle routes through a busy pedestrian tourist area, full of families and inebriated diners. If you dismount and push a bike, people get struck by pedals and handlebars. The rider has to allow much more space to prevent people walking right into them. Riding at walking speed, some pedestrians may give a bit of space, but most of them don't alter their movement in any appreciable way. A capable rider has better control of a bicycle when they are actually riding it, and can keep pedals away from shins even in close proximity.
amrocha 4y ago
Yeah totally, that's how it works in Tokyo. Bikes are supposed to ride on the road, but if the road seems unsafe you can ride on the sidewalk. Even cops ride on the sidewalk here. That being said, ebikes are partially banned here. Pedal assist is fine but full ebikes count as motor vehicles. I think it's a decent compromise.

And obviously bikes can operate at a range of speeds, if I feel like I need to go on the sidewalk for safety reasons and there's any other people I stick to a pace comparable to someone jogging.

bryanlarsen 4y ago

If you want to take your bicycle on the sidewalk, you're welcome to walk your bike.

wolfram74 4y ago
A mounted bicyclist at a walking pace has a lower cross section than a parent with a stroller or a person in a wheelchair. Sidewalks are multi-modal, until we can get rid of the scourge of cars, anybody opting not to use them should be encouraged as long they're being civil.
- bryanlarsen 4y ago
  Try testing that theory. If you walk your bike in a crowd, the crowd will pack in the space around you very efficiently. If you ride your bike at walking speed, the crowd will give you quite a wide buffer zone. You are less predictable, and most bikes at that low of a speed are very wobbly. Thus you talk less space walking your bike despite the wider cross section.
  - amrocha 4y ago
    Nobody is riding their bike in a crowd mate
    - bryanlarsen 4y ago
      Then the objection I'm replying to is also irrelevant.
      - amrocha 4y ago
        It's not, bikes fit in sidewalks just fine
  - jimmux 4y ago
    This isn't true in my experience. I have ridden through areas like this often, because for some reason my city put one of the main bicycle routes through a busy pedestrian tourist area, full of families and inebriated diners. If you dismount and push a bike, people get struck by pedals and handlebars. The rider has to allow much more space to prevent people walking right into them. Riding at walking speed, some pedestrians may give a bit of space, but most of them don't alter their movement in any appreciable way. A capable rider has better control of a bicycle when they are actually riding it, and can keep pedals away from shins even in close proximity.

amrocha 4y ago

Yeah totally, that's how it works in Tokyo. Bikes are supposed to ride on the road, but if the road seems unsafe you can ride on the sidewalk. Even cops ride on the sidewalk here. That being said, ebikes are partially banned here. Pedal assist is fine but full ebikes count as motor vehicles. I think it's a decent compromise.