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Have you ever wondered why things that doesn't match your state propaganda appear to be a trolling? I'd love to understand why are you doing this: are you bore

by trasz 4y ago

Have you ever wondered why things that doesn't match your state propaganda appear to be a trolling? I'd love to understand why are you doing this: are you bored, uneducated, or just US shill? I mean, the fact that you're not making sense should be obvious even to you, as you can't provide even a single argument to support your "point of view".

illiac786 4y ago
No, what I wonder is why you make a lot of statement like "state propaganda" without knowing which state I live in and without quoting any source. Please prove a/ my state (Germany) is doing propaganda and b/ I am only listening to this propaganda. Also, you're sentences do not make sense. "Why you are doing this" => what is "this", you forgot to define it. Meanwhile, China is a country where people live in fear of publicly expressing their opinion, this is well documented. 10s on the web finds this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_the_press_in_China https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_the_press_in_Chin...
- trasz 4y ago
  Okay, so you’re shilling for somebody else’s country. A bit sad, but it’s not for me to judge. > Also, you're sentences do not make sense. "Why you are doing this" That’s your sentence, I just quoted it. >China is a country where people live in fear of publicly expressing their opinion Just like the US - you don’t have any protections against an employer firing you for something you said in your free time, because it “goes against company values”. You’re also mistaking freedom of press with freedom of speech, but again, that’s a minor mistake in this context. But most of all: you still hadn’t shown any actual data to back your ideas.
  - illiac786 4y ago
    Explain to me how companies and state are the same.
    - trasz 4y ago
      In democratic countries they are not, because the society can control the state. In US they pretty much are, because the companies control the state. In particular, in US the company can fire you on the spot, strip you of healthcare, and make sure you won’t be able to find another job simply because you said something - anything - it doesn’t like. And it’s all legal.
      - illiac786 4y ago
        So I think I'm getting your point slowly. It's not that China is great but rather you think the US are deeply corrupt. It's a valid point to think autocracy is better than corruption. I disagree on the level of corruption in the US I think, as far as I understood you. I do not deny there is corruption though. I would be interested in knowing the level of corruption in China but I think the autocratic grip on the press is too strong to have any valuable data.
        trasz 4y ago
        Thank you! Indeed that would be a (rather rough) first approximation. It's more complex than that though. First, I'm not convinced that US is less autocratic than China. European countries of course are, but US is not a functioning democracy anymore; it's corporations who decides how the Congress will vote, not citizens. Second - I think we might be using a different definition of "corruption". In US many mechanisms that would normally be considered corruption are legal, and thus aren't technically a corruption. And yeah, would be great to have more reliable numbers for China. I don't think that's due to the "grip"; rather, it's a cultural thing: Chinese don't seem to value openness same way we do. At the same time, China is absurdly huge; I'm not sure we can have reliable numbers for all of the geographical Europe, and China is twice that.

by trasz 4y ago

illiac786 4y ago

No, what I wonder is why you make a lot of statement like "state propaganda" without knowing which state I live in and without quoting any source. Please prove a/ my state (Germany) is doing propaganda and b/ I am only listening to this propaganda. Also, you're sentences do not make sense. "Why you are doing this" => what is "this", you forgot to define it. Meanwhile, China is a country where people live in fear of publicly expressing their opinion, this is well documented. 10s on the web finds this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_the_press_in_China https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_the_press_in_Chin...

trasz 4y ago
Okay, so you’re shilling for somebody else’s country. A bit sad, but it’s not for me to judge. > Also, you're sentences do not make sense. "Why you are doing this" That’s your sentence, I just quoted it. >China is a country where people live in fear of publicly expressing their opinion Just like the US - you don’t have any protections against an employer firing you for something you said in your free time, because it “goes against company values”. You’re also mistaking freedom of press with freedom of speech, but again, that’s a minor mistake in this context. But most of all: you still hadn’t shown any actual data to back your ideas.
- illiac786 4y ago
  Explain to me how companies and state are the same.
  - trasz 4y ago
    In democratic countries they are not, because the society can control the state. In US they pretty much are, because the companies control the state. In particular, in US the company can fire you on the spot, strip you of healthcare, and make sure you won’t be able to find another job simply because you said something - anything - it doesn’t like. And it’s all legal.
    - illiac786 4y ago
      So I think I'm getting your point slowly. It's not that China is great but rather you think the US are deeply corrupt. It's a valid point to think autocracy is better than corruption. I disagree on the level of corruption in the US I think, as far as I understood you. I do not deny there is corruption though. I would be interested in knowing the level of corruption in China but I think the autocratic grip on the press is too strong to have any valuable data.
      - trasz 4y ago
        Thank you! Indeed that would be a (rather rough) first approximation. It's more complex than that though. First, I'm not convinced that US is less autocratic than China. European countries of course are, but US is not a functioning democracy anymore; it's corporations who decides how the Congress will vote, not citizens. Second - I think we might be using a different definition of "corruption". In US many mechanisms that would normally be considered corruption are legal, and thus aren't technically a corruption. And yeah, would be great to have more reliable numbers for China. I don't think that's due to the "grip"; rather, it's a cultural thing: Chinese don't seem to value openness same way we do. At the same time, China is absurdly huge; I'm not sure we can have reliable numbers for all of the geographical Europe, and China is twice that.