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Yes the lightbulb conspiracy and planned obsolescence. Here’s why that’s no longer a threat; it’s bad business. It’s a PR nightmare, and totally unnecessary. Fo

Yes the lightbulb conspiracy and planned obsolescence. Here’s why that’s no longer a threat; it’s bad business. It’s a PR nightmare, and totally unnecessary. For instance my last (17 inch) MBP lasted a full decade including the battery without any service required. In fact it became a problem for me in that I was waiting for it to break so I could go by a new one. Apple learned that having products with planned obsolescence was bad for business and just stopped doing it. Other manufactures are still learning that, sure. But Apple simply ends updates to macOS for certain models and the user can decide if they want to keep running what they have, or update. Because what you’re really purchasing is software and updates, not the hardware. The hardware is just the packaging it is delivered in. So what about those companies that still include planned obsolescence? You need to vote with your money. Simply don’t buy their product. If you do, if you’re fooled twice, that’s on you.

deltasevennine 4y ago
>Apple learned that having products with planned obsolescence was bad for business and just stopped doing it. This is False. Apple is one of the companies that completely buys into planned obsolescence. They never stopped doing it. They still do it and they practically invented it for iphones and ipads. If other phone companies are doing planned obsolescence then they most likely learned it from apple. Apple is one of the leaders of this concept. >So what about those companies that still include planned obsolescence? You need to vote with your money. Simply don’t buy their product. This doesn't account for how humans are irrational. Tons of irrational people buy shit without knowing their part of an irrational obsolescence cycle (aka you). For example, back in the day, apple shortened the lifetime of their phones by not allowing the battery to be replaced. Yet people still buy apple phones EVEN when OTHER companies offered phones with replaceable batteries. Now the entire industry glues their batteries inside the phone. Apple is paving the way for planned obsolescence and irrational consumers buy in without ever realizing it. Consumers vote with their money the same way they voted for Trump. >If you do, if you’re fooled twice, that’s on you. If you buy apple products and you think they don't do planned obsolescence. Jokes on you.
- what-imright 4y ago
  You cite no evidence. I have the opposite experience first hand. Phone manufactures have been copying Apple since the iPhone because they have no sense of innovation whatsoever. The batteries are cheaply replaceable, just not as easily. But your average Jo doesn't want to take a class in watchmaking to change a phone battery, he’ll work an extra shift and drop it at the Apple store. No people aren’t irrational in groups, they simply don’t want to preserve their products more than 5 years. They want to upgrade. Don’t care about supporting the used market. There’s no incentive. They get their money’s worth and move on. These are transient objects for humans passing through their years. A useful novelty, a pleasant experience, that’s all they want. And not accepting a democratically elected official; again they voted for what was perceived to be in their interests. Trump incentivized. There was no mistake.
  - deltasevennine 4y ago
    >These are transient objects for humans passing through their years. A useful novelty, a pleasant experience, that’s all they want. There is huge drive to position the products in this way. Consumers including you are manipulated to think this way for products that traditionally aren't thought of this way. It has become so ingrained that you can't tell the difference. >You cite no evidence. https://9to5mac.com/2021/03/01/apple-lawsuit-portugal-planned-obsolescence/ https://9to5mac.com/2021/03/01/apple-lawsuit-portugal-planne... https://www.intego.com/mac-security-blog/apples-planned-obsolescence/ https://www.intego.com/mac-security-blog/apples-planned-obso... https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/04/08/apple-to-pay-34m-in-chile-to-settle-planned-obsolescence-lawsuit https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/04/08/apple-to-pay-34m-... https://nypost.com/2021/12/02/apple-may-soon-kill-off-older-iphone-models/ https://nypost.com/2021/12/02/apple-may-soon-kill-off-older-... https://www.idropnews.com/news/spanish-consumer-protection-group-says-apple-is-already-slowing-down-the-iphone-12-to-force-iphone-13-upgrades/163612/ https://www.idropnews.com/news/spanish-consumer-protection-g... https://wccftech.com/apple-iphone-6-planned-obsolescence-three-lawsuits/ https://wccftech.com/apple-iphone-6-planned-obsolescence-thr... https://www.makeuseof.com/apple-faces-750m-lawsuit-throttling-iphones/ https://www.makeuseof.com/apple-faces-750m-lawsuit-throttlin... https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/episode-244-apples-planned-obsolescence/id1293834627?i=1000566612982 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/episode-244-apples-pla... https://lawstreetmedia.com/news/tech/apple-receives-planned-obsolescence-complaint-over-homepod-device/ https://lawstreetmedia.com/news/tech/apple-receives-planned-... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42615378 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42615378 https://www.icmrindia.org/casestudies/catalogue/Business%20Ethics/BECG163.htm https://www.icmrindia.org/casestudies/catalogue/Business%20E... https://actions.sumofus.org/a/planned-obsolescence-is-why-apple-isn-t-a-green-company https://actions.sumofus.org/a/planned-obsolescence-is-why-ap... https://dailytargum.com/article/2019/09/iphones-and-planned-obsolescence https://dailytargum.com/article/2019/09/iphones-and-planned-... https://durabilitymatters.com/planned-obsolescence/ https://durabilitymatters.com/planned-obsolescence/ https://www.shacknews.com/article/123046/apple-faces-new-lawsuit-alleging-planned-obsolescence-of-iphone https://www.shacknews.com/article/123046/apple-faces-new-law... https://seekingalpha.com/article/4134160-apples-planned-obsolescence-strategy https://seekingalpha.com/article/4134160-apples-planned-obso... https://dailycampus.com/2022/03/28/dull-and-new-the-truth-behind-planned-obsolescence/ https://dailycampus.com/2022/03/28/dull-and-new-the-truth-be... https://www.vox.com/2017/12/22/16807056/apple-slow-iphone-batteries https://www.vox.com/2017/12/22/16807056/apple-slow-iphone-ba... https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN29U1BB https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN29U1BB https://www.researchgate.net/publication/353685307_FROM_PLANNED_OBSOLESCENCE_TO_THE_CIRCULAR_ECONOMY_IN_THE_SMARTPHONE_INDUSTRY_AN_EVOLUTION_OF_STRATEGIES_EMBODIED_IN_PRODUCT_FEATURES/fulltext/610a8ae81ca20f6f86fd44f0/FROM-PLANNED-OBSOLESCENCE-TO-THE-CIRCULAR-ECONOMY-IN-THE-SMARTPHONE-INDUSTRY-AN-EVOLUTION-OF-STRATEGIES-EMBODIED-IN-PRODUCT-FEATURES.pdf?origin=publication_detail https://www.researchgate.net/publication/353685307_FROM_PLAN... https://www.euroconsumers.org/activities/stop-planned-obsolescence-apple-case https://www.euroconsumers.org/activities/stop-planned-obsole... https://www.howtogeek.com/681577/how-to-claim-your-cash-from-apples-iphone-slowdown-lawsuit/ https://www.howtogeek.com/681577/how-to-claim-your-cash-from... https://undergradlawreview.blog.fordham.edu/consumer-protection/the-product-ecosystem-and-planned-obsolescence-apples-threats-to-consumer-rights/ https://undergradlawreview.blog.fordham.edu/consumer-protect... https://www.europastar.com/news/1004088006-tech-trend-thursday-apple-watch-planned.html https://www.europastar.com/news/1004088006-tech-trend-thursd... https://thehustle.co/why-your-iphone-only-lasts-two-years-max/ https://thehustle.co/why-your-iphone-only-lasts-two-years-ma... https://www.wallstreetmojo.com/planned-obsolescence/ https://www.wallstreetmojo.com/planned-obsolescence/ (defines planned obsolescence. first example is apple) https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Professionalism/Apple,_iPhone_Software,_and_Planned_Obsolescence https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Professionalism/Apple,_iPhone_... If you would like more please let me know. Also you know that video I sent you about the light bulbs? That was just the first part. The Video is about planned obsolescence in general and it talks about APPLE. Watch the whole thing. > I have the opposite experience first hand. Oh wow, Ok you win the debate.

deltasevennine 4y ago

>Apple learned that having products with planned obsolescence was bad for business and just stopped doing it. This is False. Apple is one of the companies that completely buys into planned obsolescence. They never stopped doing it. They still do it and they practically invented it for iphones and ipads. If other phone companies are doing planned obsolescence then they most likely learned it from apple. Apple is one of the leaders of this concept. >So what about those companies that still include planned obsolescence? You need to vote with your money. Simply don’t buy their product. This doesn't account for how humans are irrational. Tons of irrational people buy shit without knowing their part of an irrational obsolescence cycle (aka you). For example, back in the day, apple shortened the lifetime of their phones by not allowing the battery to be replaced. Yet people still buy apple phones EVEN when OTHER companies offered phones with replaceable batteries. Now the entire industry glues their batteries inside the phone. Apple is paving the way for planned obsolescence and irrational consumers buy in without ever realizing it. Consumers vote with their money the same way they voted for Trump. >If you do, if you’re fooled twice, that’s on you. If you buy apple products and you think they don't do planned obsolescence. Jokes on you.

what-imright 4y ago
You cite no evidence. I have the opposite experience first hand. Phone manufactures have been copying Apple since the iPhone because they have no sense of innovation whatsoever. The batteries are cheaply replaceable, just not as easily. But your average Jo doesn't want to take a class in watchmaking to change a phone battery, he’ll work an extra shift and drop it at the Apple store. No people aren’t irrational in groups, they simply don’t want to preserve their products more than 5 years. They want to upgrade. Don’t care about supporting the used market. There’s no incentive. They get their money’s worth and move on. These are transient objects for humans passing through their years. A useful novelty, a pleasant experience, that’s all they want. And not accepting a democratically elected official; again they voted for what was perceived to be in their interests. Trump incentivized. There was no mistake.
- deltasevennine 4y ago
  >These are transient objects for humans passing through their years. A useful novelty, a pleasant experience, that’s all they want. There is huge drive to position the products in this way. Consumers including you are manipulated to think this way for products that traditionally aren't thought of this way. It has become so ingrained that you can't tell the difference. >You cite no evidence. https://9to5mac.com/2021/03/01/apple-lawsuit-portugal-planned-obsolescence/ https://9to5mac.com/2021/03/01/apple-lawsuit-portugal-planne... https://www.intego.com/mac-security-blog/apples-planned-obsolescence/ https://www.intego.com/mac-security-blog/apples-planned-obso... https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/04/08/apple-to-pay-34m-in-chile-to-settle-planned-obsolescence-lawsuit https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/04/08/apple-to-pay-34m-... https://nypost.com/2021/12/02/apple-may-soon-kill-off-older-iphone-models/ https://nypost.com/2021/12/02/apple-may-soon-kill-off-older-... https://www.idropnews.com/news/spanish-consumer-protection-group-says-apple-is-already-slowing-down-the-iphone-12-to-force-iphone-13-upgrades/163612/ https://www.idropnews.com/news/spanish-consumer-protection-g... https://wccftech.com/apple-iphone-6-planned-obsolescence-three-lawsuits/ https://wccftech.com/apple-iphone-6-planned-obsolescence-thr... https://www.makeuseof.com/apple-faces-750m-lawsuit-throttling-iphones/ https://www.makeuseof.com/apple-faces-750m-lawsuit-throttlin... https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/episode-244-apples-planned-obsolescence/id1293834627?i=1000566612982 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/episode-244-apples-pla... https://lawstreetmedia.com/news/tech/apple-receives-planned-obsolescence-complaint-over-homepod-device/ https://lawstreetmedia.com/news/tech/apple-receives-planned-... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42615378 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42615378 https://www.icmrindia.org/casestudies/catalogue/Business%20Ethics/BECG163.htm https://www.icmrindia.org/casestudies/catalogue/Business%20E... https://actions.sumofus.org/a/planned-obsolescence-is-why-apple-isn-t-a-green-company https://actions.sumofus.org/a/planned-obsolescence-is-why-ap... https://dailytargum.com/article/2019/09/iphones-and-planned-obsolescence https://dailytargum.com/article/2019/09/iphones-and-planned-... https://durabilitymatters.com/planned-obsolescence/ https://durabilitymatters.com/planned-obsolescence/ https://www.shacknews.com/article/123046/apple-faces-new-lawsuit-alleging-planned-obsolescence-of-iphone https://www.shacknews.com/article/123046/apple-faces-new-law... https://seekingalpha.com/article/4134160-apples-planned-obsolescence-strategy https://seekingalpha.com/article/4134160-apples-planned-obso... https://dailycampus.com/2022/03/28/dull-and-new-the-truth-behind-planned-obsolescence/ https://dailycampus.com/2022/03/28/dull-and-new-the-truth-be... https://www.vox.com/2017/12/22/16807056/apple-slow-iphone-batteries https://www.vox.com/2017/12/22/16807056/apple-slow-iphone-ba... https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN29U1BB https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN29U1BB https://www.researchgate.net/publication/353685307_FROM_PLANNED_OBSOLESCENCE_TO_THE_CIRCULAR_ECONOMY_IN_THE_SMARTPHONE_INDUSTRY_AN_EVOLUTION_OF_STRATEGIES_EMBODIED_IN_PRODUCT_FEATURES/fulltext/610a8ae81ca20f6f86fd44f0/FROM-PLANNED-OBSOLESCENCE-TO-THE-CIRCULAR-ECONOMY-IN-THE-SMARTPHONE-INDUSTRY-AN-EVOLUTION-OF-STRATEGIES-EMBODIED-IN-PRODUCT-FEATURES.pdf?origin=publication_detail https://www.researchgate.net/publication/353685307_FROM_PLAN... https://www.euroconsumers.org/activities/stop-planned-obsolescence-apple-case https://www.euroconsumers.org/activities/stop-planned-obsole... https://www.howtogeek.com/681577/how-to-claim-your-cash-from-apples-iphone-slowdown-lawsuit/ https://www.howtogeek.com/681577/how-to-claim-your-cash-from... https://undergradlawreview.blog.fordham.edu/consumer-protection/the-product-ecosystem-and-planned-obsolescence-apples-threats-to-consumer-rights/ https://undergradlawreview.blog.fordham.edu/consumer-protect... https://www.europastar.com/news/1004088006-tech-trend-thursday-apple-watch-planned.html https://www.europastar.com/news/1004088006-tech-trend-thursd... https://thehustle.co/why-your-iphone-only-lasts-two-years-max/ https://thehustle.co/why-your-iphone-only-lasts-two-years-ma... https://www.wallstreetmojo.com/planned-obsolescence/ https://www.wallstreetmojo.com/planned-obsolescence/ (defines planned obsolescence. first example is apple) https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Professionalism/Apple,_iPhone_Software,_and_Planned_Obsolescence https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Professionalism/Apple,_iPhone_... If you would like more please let me know. Also you know that video I sent you about the light bulbs? That was just the first part. The Video is about planned obsolescence in general and it talks about APPLE. Watch the whole thing. > I have the opposite experience first hand. Oh wow, Ok you win the debate.