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> It's a lot to maintain, yes, but it would help secure a lot more users like me, What an understatement. The modern Linux syscalls are tightly coupled to the

> It's a lot to maintain, yes, but it would help secure a lot more users like me, What an understatement. The modern Linux syscalls are tightly coupled to the implementation of Linux. Special fds, io_uring, robust lists, etc etc … There’s a reason why Microsoft said fuck it and run Linux in a VM for WSL2. If you want Linux, just run Linux.

mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago
This is exactly the kind of gatekeeping that holds FreeBSD back. Users asking about missing features being snarkily put down with things like "go use Linux then, we're doing just fine without feature X". This kind of toxic attitude is what pushed me away from FreeBSD in the end. They're so childish about constructive criticism sometimes, it's downright embarassing considering these are supposedly adults. Edit: It's come to my attention that this particular instance of gatekeeping came from the Linux camp, not FreeBSD. Though you can find it in the FreeBSD community too, to be sure.
- fuckstick 4y ago
  - mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago
    You didn't really explain anything. You waved your hands a bunch. You didn't address the fact that FreeBSD already accomplished this, then stopped maintaining it, you conveniently ignored the fact that Illumos had it even later than FreeBSD, mostly from scratch. Your tone was overly dismissive. Now you start calling me names. Grow up. I'm sorry I misunderstood your point of view, but you did sound exactly like certain FreeBSD community gatekeepers, and you're responding to a post about FreeBSD project decisions, so is it really so strange or "idiotic"?
- jeremyjh 4y ago
  It isn't gatekeeping to point out that maintaining Linux syscall compatibility is impractical, especially citing the fact that Microsoft tried and gave up after sinking tons of resources into it; and FreeBSD has also already tried and gave up as you pointed out yourself.
  - mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago
    Thanks for not calling me an idiot, at least. I'm not sure how relevant Microsoft is here given how much more different from Linux NT should be compared to FreeBSD. It's also kind of a different calculus for Microsoft in terms of it being worth the effort for what they wanted to do with it. Microsoft already has its own thriving ecosystem, the Linux support is just a bonus to attract people from a niche market. For FreeBSD the situation is more or less the exact opposite. The SmartOS people did it too, and even ported over KVM. But Joyent was acquired by Samsung and I'm not sure what happened to SmartOS after that.
    - nwilkens 4y ago
      MNX acquired[1] SmartOS (and Triton DataCenter) earlier this year from Samsung. We're continuing development and have continued with a bi-weekly release cycle. [1]: https://www.mnxsolutions.com/triton-faq https://www.mnxsolutions.com/triton-faq
      - mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago
        Awesome! Joyent had some really neat tech, I was sad to see them gobbled by Samsung.

mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago

This is exactly the kind of gatekeeping that holds FreeBSD back. Users asking about missing features being snarkily put down with things like "go use Linux then, we're doing just fine without feature X". This kind of toxic attitude is what pushed me away from FreeBSD in the end. They're so childish about constructive criticism sometimes, it's downright embarassing considering these are supposedly adults. Edit: It's come to my attention that this particular instance of gatekeeping came from the Linux camp, not FreeBSD. Though you can find it in the FreeBSD community too, to be sure.

fuckstick 4y ago
- mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago
  You didn't really explain anything. You waved your hands a bunch. You didn't address the fact that FreeBSD already accomplished this, then stopped maintaining it, you conveniently ignored the fact that Illumos had it even later than FreeBSD, mostly from scratch. Your tone was overly dismissive. Now you start calling me names. Grow up. I'm sorry I misunderstood your point of view, but you did sound exactly like certain FreeBSD community gatekeepers, and you're responding to a post about FreeBSD project decisions, so is it really so strange or "idiotic"?
jeremyjh 4y ago
It isn't gatekeeping to point out that maintaining Linux syscall compatibility is impractical, especially citing the fact that Microsoft tried and gave up after sinking tons of resources into it; and FreeBSD has also already tried and gave up as you pointed out yourself.
- mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago
  Thanks for not calling me an idiot, at least. I'm not sure how relevant Microsoft is here given how much more different from Linux NT should be compared to FreeBSD. It's also kind of a different calculus for Microsoft in terms of it being worth the effort for what they wanted to do with it. Microsoft already has its own thriving ecosystem, the Linux support is just a bonus to attract people from a niche market. For FreeBSD the situation is more or less the exact opposite. The SmartOS people did it too, and even ported over KVM. But Joyent was acquired by Samsung and I'm not sure what happened to SmartOS after that.
  - nwilkens 4y ago
    MNX acquired[1] SmartOS (and Triton DataCenter) earlier this year from Samsung. We're continuing development and have continued with a bi-weekly release cycle. [1]: https://www.mnxsolutions.com/triton-faq https://www.mnxsolutions.com/triton-faq
    - mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago
      Awesome! Joyent had some really neat tech, I was sad to see them gobbled by Samsung.