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From a human perspective, that settlers from one part of the range found a home in another part of the same range is interesting - the heavy Irish and Scottish
by Tsiklon 4y ago
From a human perspective, that settlers from one part of the range found a home in another part of the same range is interesting - the heavy Irish and Scottish settlement in Appalachia, taking language and music with them.
- wyager 4y agoAnd politics.
- dnissley 4y agoTruly fascinating account of this: https://slatestarcodex.com/2016/04/27/book-review-albions-seed/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2016/04/27/book-review-albions-se...
- darkteflon 4y agoThis was a great rec, thanks. Really enjoyed it.
- wyclif 4y agoAlbion's Seed is an incredible book; I recommend it to everybody.
- deepdriver 4y ago>But by 1750, the Quakers were kind of on their way out; by 1750, they were a demographic minority in Pennsylvania, and by 1773 they were a minority in its legislature as well. [...] What happened? The Quakers basically tolerated themselves out of existence. They were so welcoming to religious minorities and immigrants that all these groups took up shop in Pennsylvania and ended its status as a uniquely Quaker society. Fascinating.
- ZeroGravitas 4y agoBeing less than 50% of the lawmakers in a society as active followers of your regilion seems quite far from non-existance. By that metric, Catholics, Jews, Athiests and African-Americans don't exist, and have never existed, and probably will never exist in the USA (they didn't and don't even exist when grouped together as "non-protestants"). Back to Quakers, shortly fter they "tolerated themselves out of exisitence" in Pennsylvania, they manage to have input into the Constitution of the newly formed US so punching above their weight for people who didn't exist.
- eternalban 4y agoSo informative and what a great read. Thanks for sharing.
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- Simon_O_Rourke 4y agoI've seen a few of the anti-Irish marches they're unfathomably still allowed to hold in Glasgow, Scotland, and it seems like the politics of hate is identical.
- treerock 4y agoThe Orange Order marches? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_walk https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_walk I'm not sure they can be described as "anti Irish".
- deadlocked 4y agoYou should visit Northern Ireland during marching season - around July 12th - and then decide whether or not you think Orange matches could be described as “anti Irish”. Unless you’re going to engage in a bit of sophistry - “the people who participate might be anti-Irish but the actual Orange Order as an organisation is simply expressing its fondness for the Act of Union” - I don’t see how you could not see the anti-Irish aspects of the Orange matches.
- Veen 4y agoWhat exactly do you mean by anti-Irish marches? There are no such marches so far as I am aware. If, as another commenter has speculated, you are talking about Orange Order marches, these are not anti-Irish. They are pro-Unionist and anti-Irish-Nationalist. They are not banned because the UK doesn't usually ban people for walking down the street together.
- Simon_O_Rourke 4y agoIt seems very out of place that these people simply walking down the street as you say, were openly singing about killing people based on their ethnicity. Same type of nuance as the crowds waiting for MLK at the bridge in Selma being purely interested in advocating for States' rights. Similar people, similar politics of hate however you want to dress it up.
- zja 4y agoThe Highland Games held in Grandfather Mtn, NC each year is one of the largest outside Scotland. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Games_in_North_Carolina https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Games_in_North_Caro...
- deadfall 4y agoA small town in Appalachia I grew up in had a Scottish Museum and Festival. Franklin, NC
- dfawcus 4y agoBut how many visitors from Scotland would view it a authentic, vs kitsch?
- stephenboyd 4y agoAnd Atlantic Canada.
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- philwelch 4y agoMost of the Scots who originally settled in Appalachia were from the lowlands on the English border, not the highlands. This is the same population that was used to colonize Northern Ireland, and similarly, most of the Irish immigrants to Appalachia were from this population of resettled lowland Scots.