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Those genres are far and away the most popular forms of music for an entire generation now, and exhibit a high degree of craftsmanship with techniques never use
by jrajav 4y ago
Those genres are far and away the most popular forms of music for an entire generation now, and exhibit a high degree of craftsmanship with techniques never used before them. Whether you personally enjoy the music or not, an honest academic exploration of music would seek to understand and explain what makes those styles of music tick.
- AlbertCory 4y agoIf you stick to "popular" I'm fine with it. Tastes change. It's the word "advances" which I object to. There's a value judgment attached to that.
- pvg 4y agoInteresting conversation involves exchanging value judgements rather than pedantipoints.
- AlbertCory 4y ago"pedantipoints" FTW
- someweirdperson 4y agoAnd so the language advances... but did it improve?
- AlbertCory 4y agoOoh. Is it a portmanteau? https://www.dictionary.com/browse/portmanteau https://www.dictionary.com/browse/portmanteau
- cjaybo 4y agoI don't think "advances" implies that something is subjectively better, but that it builds upon previous techniques and methods in some way. You can dislike synthesizers and samples all you want, but there's no denying that they opened up new creative avenues for composers and sound designers.
- AlbertCory 4y agoOK. Fine with me. "Your music sucks" is a totally dead end and I'm not going there. What I will say is, arts do not advance linearly, more or less, like science does. You can't say that drama has "advanced" since Shakespeare -- it's just changed. So "what's popular?" is not a shorthand for "what's good?"
- crazygringo 4y agoI think you're reading too much into the word "advanced". One sense of "advance" does mean to improve, but another commonly used sense is simply to "move forwards". History advances, literature advances, music genres and technique advance, time advances. None of those imply improvement or a value judgment, just moving-forwards and building-upon (or building-in-reaction-to). You can absolutely say drama has advanced since Shakespeare, and few people would misunderstand. To say it hadn't would mean nobody had continued to write plays in the same tradition of western literature. (See [1] and contrast definitions 2 and 3.) [1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/advance https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/advance
- AlbertCory 4y agook, sure, there are two senses of the word. Certainly artists react to each other and take advantage of new technology. They also make things more readily accessible to their contemporaries. > To say it hadn't would mean nobody had continued to write plays in the same tradition of western literature. To say it hadn't, in my sense, would mean nobody has written any "better" music than Beethoven's 9th. Nobody has. To say it hadn't, in your sense, would mean the form of the symphony hadn't continued to evolve, and of course you're right that it has.
- tbossanova 4y agoTime advances
- tyrantalope 4y agoWhy couldn't someone say that music has advanced since x period of time? Similarly, if you ignore the popularity of music for the sake of argument, how is possible to determine if specific music is "good"? Or how would someone determine if music is advancing in the first place?