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What mainframes are still alive, apart from z/Architecture? As for "modern Web development" - not really; it's a bit like running Apache and MySQL on Windows 9

by trasz 4y ago

What mainframes are still alive, apart from z/Architecture? As for "modern Web development" - not really; it's a bit like running Apache and MySQL on Windows 98 - yes, you technically could, but you probably don't want to. Have you heard of anyone wilfully choosing to use mainframes instead of some Unix over the past two decades?

pjmlp 4y ago
IBM i, Unisy ClearPath and OS/2200, related offerings, now you can feel pedantic and differentiate which of them are proper mainframes, which are mini, microcomputers or whatever. We are discussing technicalities here, the whole point started about Linux isn't the only way to have access to such called "modern" Web tools. Technically they exist in any UNIX environment, mainframes (or whatever you feel like calling them), and Windows. Missing stuff like fork () doesn't even matter for most of those runtimes. https://www.usenix.org/publications/login/fall2016/atlidakis https://www.usenix.org/publications/login/fall2016/atlidakis
- trasz 4y ago
  >IBM i, Unisys ClearPath and OS/2200 Once again, have you seen anyone technical wilfully choosing any of those for web stuff over the past two decades?
  - pjmlp 4y ago
    Wilfully or not, they offer such capabilities in 2022, and there are people paying for their use, probably many more people than some obscure UNIX clones that still exist out there. And again, this whole thread started with what is possible outside Linux, and apparently I touched a nerve with you, apparently related to your FreeBSD role, let it go. FreeBSD, IBM i, Unisys ClearPath and OS/2200, or flavour of the month UNIX clone, are all miles behind Linux distributions for Web development on compute centers, if you insist in counting ammo. So better spend your contribution time in more productive discussions.
    - trasz 4y ago
      The thread started with what's possible outside Linux, but I don't think that to majority of people that means systems that exist purely for backwards compatibility. And I'm pretty sure that's the main - or perhaps the only major - reason anybody is still paying for "i" and OS/2200. And no, neither FreeBSD nor MacOS are "miles behind Linux"; in fact all the same pieces of ecosystem are available in all of them.

by trasz 4y ago

pjmlp 4y ago

IBM i, Unisy ClearPath and OS/2200, related offerings, now you can feel pedantic and differentiate which of them are proper mainframes, which are mini, microcomputers or whatever. We are discussing technicalities here, the whole point started about Linux isn't the only way to have access to such called "modern" Web tools. Technically they exist in any UNIX environment, mainframes (or whatever you feel like calling them), and Windows. Missing stuff like fork () doesn't even matter for most of those runtimes. https://www.usenix.org/publications/login/fall2016/atlidakis https://www.usenix.org/publications/login/fall2016/atlidakis

trasz 4y ago
>IBM i, Unisys ClearPath and OS/2200 Once again, have you seen anyone technical wilfully choosing any of those for web stuff over the past two decades?
- pjmlp 4y ago
  Wilfully or not, they offer such capabilities in 2022, and there are people paying for their use, probably many more people than some obscure UNIX clones that still exist out there. And again, this whole thread started with what is possible outside Linux, and apparently I touched a nerve with you, apparently related to your FreeBSD role, let it go. FreeBSD, IBM i, Unisys ClearPath and OS/2200, or flavour of the month UNIX clone, are all miles behind Linux distributions for Web development on compute centers, if you insist in counting ammo. So better spend your contribution time in more productive discussions.
  - trasz 4y ago
    The thread started with what's possible outside Linux, but I don't think that to majority of people that means systems that exist purely for backwards compatibility. And I'm pretty sure that's the main - or perhaps the only major - reason anybody is still paying for "i" and OS/2200. And no, neither FreeBSD nor MacOS are "miles behind Linux"; in fact all the same pieces of ecosystem are available in all of them.