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Based on the amount of killed Russian units and destroyed Russian material I'd say tracking where it ends up is fairly simple. Supposedly.

by nso 4y ago

StanislavPetrov 4y ago
Some mainstream news outlets estimate roughly 30% of the weapons we ship to Ukraine actually end up in the fight against Russia. https://www.cbsnews.com/video/arming-ukraine-cbs-reports/ https://www.cbsnews.com/video/arming-ukraine-cbs-reports/ I tend to lean towards "there's no way to make a reasonable estimate at all" given the lack of oversight, as reported by other mainstream news organizations. https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/19/politics/us-weapons-ukraine-intelligence/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/19/politics/us-weapons-ukraine-i... Unfortunately many are blinded to reality by their zealotry on the issue. Others understand the truth, but believe statements of objective reality that don't "support the effort" should never be uttered because it hurts the cause or "echoes Russian propaganda". The truth is that the "fog of war" is a very real thing in every conflict and it is foolish to make definitive statements one way or the other.
- _kbh_ 4y ago
  > Some mainstream news outlets estimate roughly 30% of the weapons we ship to Ukraine actually end up in the fight against Russia. This statistic is from a sample size of 1, and comes from a single person working at a NGO and relates to _non-military_ aid early in the war. CBS is driving up clicks by posting fake news.
  - StanislavPetrov 4y ago
    The real fake news is coming from people who claim to definitively know what is happening in the war zone.
    - _kbh_ 4y ago
      > The real fake news is coming from people who claim to definitively know what is happening in the war zone. So you are conceding that the CBS article could be fake news as they are trying to claim what is happening in a war zone?. My opinion is based off the response from the organisation that CBS interviewed.
vbezhenar 4y ago
Nobody knows Russian losses. Not even Russian officials (though they probably have best estimates, but they will not release the numbers, not until this operation is over). Everything you read in Russian news is Russian propaganda which lowers estimates. Everything you read in Western (or god save Ukrainian) news is anti-Russian propaganda which makes up numbers out of thin air, because West in active proxy war against Russia and its news agencies are just propaganda speakers on the other side. Ditto about Ukrainian loses.

Based on the amount of killed Russian units and destroyed Russian material I'd say tracking where it ends up is fairly simple. Supposedly.

by nso 4y ago

Based on the amount of killed Russian units and destroyed Russian material I'd say tracking where it ends up is fairly simple. Supposedly.

StanislavPetrov 4y ago

Some mainstream news outlets estimate roughly 30% of the weapons we ship to Ukraine actually end up in the fight against Russia. https://www.cbsnews.com/video/arming-ukraine-cbs-reports/ https://www.cbsnews.com/video/arming-ukraine-cbs-reports/ I tend to lean towards "there's no way to make a reasonable estimate at all" given the lack of oversight, as reported by other mainstream news organizations. https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/19/politics/us-weapons-ukraine-intelligence/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/19/politics/us-weapons-ukraine-i... Unfortunately many are blinded to reality by their zealotry on the issue. Others understand the truth, but believe statements of objective reality that don't "support the effort" should never be uttered because it hurts the cause or "echoes Russian propaganda". The truth is that the "fog of war" is a very real thing in every conflict and it is foolish to make definitive statements one way or the other.

_kbh_ 4y ago
> Some mainstream news outlets estimate roughly 30% of the weapons we ship to Ukraine actually end up in the fight against Russia. This statistic is from a sample size of 1, and comes from a single person working at a NGO and relates to _non-military_ aid early in the war. CBS is driving up clicks by posting fake news.
- StanislavPetrov 4y ago
  The real fake news is coming from people who claim to definitively know what is happening in the war zone.
  - _kbh_ 4y ago
    > The real fake news is coming from people who claim to definitively know what is happening in the war zone. So you are conceding that the CBS article could be fake news as they are trying to claim what is happening in a war zone?. My opinion is based off the response from the organisation that CBS interviewed.

vbezhenar 4y ago

Nobody knows Russian losses. Not even Russian officials (though they probably have best estimates, but they will not release the numbers, not until this operation is over). Everything you read in Russian news is Russian propaganda which lowers estimates. Everything you read in Western (or god save Ukrainian) news is anti-Russian propaganda which makes up numbers out of thin air, because West in active proxy war against Russia and its news agencies are just propaganda speakers on the other side. Ditto about Ukrainian loses.