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That's an uncharitable reading. OP is just sharing what works with her/him. Which is ok. From what I understood from your comment, for you it doesn't. Which is

That's an uncharitable reading. OP is just sharing what works with her/him. Which is ok. From what I understood from your comment, for you it doesn't. Which is ok too, as now you know yourself a bit better. Two personal experiments with very different outcomes. There's no need for moral judgments either way.

mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago
I'm not saying her experience is invalid. If it works for her, great. But there is this tendency of microdosing proponents to oversell what is effectively a high(nothing wrong with that, I love getting high) as some sort of profound self-help tool. It's a high. That's fine. Getting high can have positive effects too. Call it that, though.
- davidgrenier 4y ago
  The paper stated James Fadiman as the source for the characterization of a microdose, it however failed to properly convey his point of view. I've heard James Fadiman reporting twice that it is 10% of a recreational (1-3g) or therapeutic dose (3.0-3.5g), but certainly not 10% of a heroic dose. This study went with 0.5g which is 10% of what's considered a heroic dose. The effective dose is considered to be 6mg if psilocybin or 0.6g of dried magic mushroom, thus the amount given in the study is very close to being detectable (and incidently was in most of the cases) which I don't think you can charaterize as a microdose. James Fadiman expressly stated a microdose would be a dose that you couldn't detect and would forget you had taken while going on about your day. If one is taking 0.2-0.3g of dried magic mushroom this would be, without question, not getting high.
  - EmilyHughes 4y ago
    depends on your individual sensitivity to psychedelics, 0.2 would be too much for me to go into work, no visuals but a head trip. I also know plenty of people who can take 0.5 and don't feel much.
  - nick__m 4y ago
    Mushrooms have so much variance that giving range like you did is almost impossible. During my youth, I had strong trips with .5g and meh one's with a few grams, sure it's not the norm but it's not an exceptional occurrence either. My experience told me that the stem of the smallest mushrooms are a lot stronger than those of the bigger one but that an heuristic not an hard rule. If I wanted to microdose psilocin (for which psylocibin is a prodrug), I would order 4-AcO-DMT¹ fumarate (another prodrug for psilocin) from a reputable Canadian chemical supplier. It's almost identical to mushrooms, the difference being that it is predictable and somewhat easier on the digestive system. 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O-Acetylpsilocin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O-Acetylpsilocin https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/4-AcO-DMT https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/4-AcO-DMT
- hackernewds 4y ago
  Bit of a tangent here but I noticed you used "her" instead of the default assumption of "him". Is this a new practice?
  - YeGoblynQueenne 4y ago
    I think that's because the OP's handle is "EmilyHughes". Is "Emily" a name that's common for males? I know some English names can go both ways like Evelyn or Shannon etc, but is Emily one of them?
    - selimthegrim 4y ago
      Emil or Emlyn (Latin and Welsh) are similar male versions.
  - mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago
    Assumption based on the username "EmilyHughes". Otherwise I would have used they/them or maybe a he/him would've slipped through, though I try to avoid that.
YeGoblynQueenne 4y ago
Does "if it works for you" also go for things like aspirin, antihistamines, antihypertensives, antibiotics, etc? I've never heard anyone say "if aspirin works for you then take it, but it doesn't work for me". I've only heard this kind of thing said for things like homeopathy, astrology, accupuncture, osteopathy, and microdosing, of course. Hence, I'm very skeptical. [Edit: OK, I've heard people say that aspirin doesn't work for them, but what they meant was that they had pains that were too strong to respond to mere aspirin.]
- EmilyHughes 4y ago
  psychoactive drugs are a whole different category. You bring your whole mental baggage with you when you take them, unlike aspirin.
  - BossingAround 4y ago
    How do you define "psychoactive"?
    - EmilyHughes 4y ago
      Anything that influences your psyche in an obvious way.
      - BossingAround 4y ago
        Isn't Aspirin psychoactive in the same way? I.e. it takes away pain, which influences your psyche in an obvious way.
        EmilyHughes 4y ago
        You could argue that. there is no clear line of course, but most people would agree that a beer influences them more than aspirin or an antibiothic.
        4y ago

mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago

I'm not saying her experience is invalid. If it works for her, great. But there is this tendency of microdosing proponents to oversell what is effectively a high(nothing wrong with that, I love getting high) as some sort of profound self-help tool. It's a high. That's fine. Getting high can have positive effects too. Call it that, though.

davidgrenier 4y ago
The paper stated James Fadiman as the source for the characterization of a microdose, it however failed to properly convey his point of view. I've heard James Fadiman reporting twice that it is 10% of a recreational (1-3g) or therapeutic dose (3.0-3.5g), but certainly not 10% of a heroic dose. This study went with 0.5g which is 10% of what's considered a heroic dose. The effective dose is considered to be 6mg if psilocybin or 0.6g of dried magic mushroom, thus the amount given in the study is very close to being detectable (and incidently was in most of the cases) which I don't think you can charaterize as a microdose. James Fadiman expressly stated a microdose would be a dose that you couldn't detect and would forget you had taken while going on about your day. If one is taking 0.2-0.3g of dried magic mushroom this would be, without question, not getting high.
- EmilyHughes 4y ago
  depends on your individual sensitivity to psychedelics, 0.2 would be too much for me to go into work, no visuals but a head trip. I also know plenty of people who can take 0.5 and don't feel much.
- nick__m 4y ago
  Mushrooms have so much variance that giving range like you did is almost impossible. During my youth, I had strong trips with .5g and meh one's with a few grams, sure it's not the norm but it's not an exceptional occurrence either. My experience told me that the stem of the smallest mushrooms are a lot stronger than those of the bigger one but that an heuristic not an hard rule. If I wanted to microdose psilocin (for which psylocibin is a prodrug), I would order 4-AcO-DMT¹ fumarate (another prodrug for psilocin) from a reputable Canadian chemical supplier. It's almost identical to mushrooms, the difference being that it is predictable and somewhat easier on the digestive system. 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O-Acetylpsilocin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O-Acetylpsilocin https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/4-AcO-DMT https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/4-AcO-DMT
hackernewds 4y ago
Bit of a tangent here but I noticed you used "her" instead of the default assumption of "him". Is this a new practice?
- YeGoblynQueenne 4y ago
  I think that's because the OP's handle is "EmilyHughes". Is "Emily" a name that's common for males? I know some English names can go both ways like Evelyn or Shannon etc, but is Emily one of them?
  - selimthegrim 4y ago
    Emil or Emlyn (Latin and Welsh) are similar male versions.
- mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago
  Assumption based on the username "EmilyHughes". Otherwise I would have used they/them or maybe a he/him would've slipped through, though I try to avoid that.

YeGoblynQueenne 4y ago

Does "if it works for you" also go for things like aspirin, antihistamines, antihypertensives, antibiotics, etc? I've never heard anyone say "if aspirin works for you then take it, but it doesn't work for me". I've only heard this kind of thing said for things like homeopathy, astrology, accupuncture, osteopathy, and microdosing, of course. Hence, I'm very skeptical. [Edit: OK, I've heard people say that aspirin doesn't work for them, but what they meant was that they had pains that were too strong to respond to mere aspirin.]

EmilyHughes 4y ago
psychoactive drugs are a whole different category. You bring your whole mental baggage with you when you take them, unlike aspirin.
- BossingAround 4y ago
  How do you define "psychoactive"?
  - EmilyHughes 4y ago
    Anything that influences your psyche in an obvious way.
    - BossingAround 4y ago
      Isn't Aspirin psychoactive in the same way? I.e. it takes away pain, which influences your psyche in an obvious way.
      - EmilyHughes 4y ago
        You could argue that. there is no clear line of course, but most people would agree that a beer influences them more than aspirin or an antibiothic.
        4y ago