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There's already enough connected to the phone that it is terrifying what would happen if I were to lose it. Especially when travelling, but also when just worki

There's already enough connected to the phone that it is terrifying what would happen if I were to lose it. Especially when travelling, but also when just working and commuting.

Ekaros 4y ago
I hate that we are building this single point of failure for absolutely everything. From money, to house and car keys. And then everything financial. First reasonable problem is simply losing it or it breaking. That is fun times if you don't have physical keys anymore. No car, no access to home, no way to contact the support... And second is that I'm paranoid and I don't think it will be safe enough. Thus connecting absolutely everything to it and identity it provides just feels scary. I think I could possibly buy an apartment with a loan if there was ID connected to phone and it was cracked...
- sveme 4y ago
  It also means you become susceptible to the whims of Apple if anything breaks, is stolen or you lose it. Just imagine Google's horrid customer service and then you trying to navigate it to have a blocked account (to which your digital ID is connected) unblocked.
- nonrandomstring 4y ago
  > we are building this single point of failure for absolutely everything. I don't think it will be safe enough. It won't. I believe we are actively setting up not only the biggest ever terrorist attack on civilised nations, which will dwarf 9/11, but potentially setting up a total and irrecoverable collapse. I find it increasingly hard not to think this is deliberate because I am unable to comprehend the colossal stupidity of our current trajectory viz "smartphones". It's like we want this to happen. Smartphone over-reliance is the single biggest national security threat I can see. We urgently need policy level thinking to shift things into a safer space.
- dzhiurgis 4y ago
  In a healthy society first person you ask for help would drop what they do and drive you to get a new phone or let use your phone to contact support. Too bad there are places or situations (i.e. dark gloomy night and you happen to be male outside of commonwealth) where people will turn away.
  - Ekaros 4y ago
    And now, how will you prove that you are you when buying new phone? They will ask you to show the ID on the phone. Or click a link they just emailed you. Or hey why not give us this 2FA code, be it from generator or SMS...
    - dzhiurgis 4y ago
      That's telco's problem, innit? You can still have physical ID at home, for special scenarios just like this. The certificate from cards chip should just let you sign a new certificate in your new sim card. Or just use any type of biometrics. You give your name (pointless, really) and agree to face-id. Face hash gets validated by gov server. Facebook has solved this a decade ago. Big tech companies know 90% of population by name, face, all their kinks, activities, plans and desires - can the governments please catch up.
  - kzrdude 4y ago
    And you need a new sim card for the existing phone number etc etc :)

There's already enough connected to the phone that it is terrifying what would happen if I were to lose it. Especially when travelling, but also when just working and commuting.

Ekaros 4y ago

I hate that we are building this single point of failure for absolutely everything. From money, to house and car keys. And then everything financial. First reasonable problem is simply losing it or it breaking. That is fun times if you don't have physical keys anymore. No car, no access to home, no way to contact the support... And second is that I'm paranoid and I don't think it will be safe enough. Thus connecting absolutely everything to it and identity it provides just feels scary. I think I could possibly buy an apartment with a loan if there was ID connected to phone and it was cracked...

sveme 4y ago
It also means you become susceptible to the whims of Apple if anything breaks, is stolen or you lose it. Just imagine Google's horrid customer service and then you trying to navigate it to have a blocked account (to which your digital ID is connected) unblocked.
nonrandomstring 4y ago
> we are building this single point of failure for absolutely everything. I don't think it will be safe enough. It won't. I believe we are actively setting up not only the biggest ever terrorist attack on civilised nations, which will dwarf 9/11, but potentially setting up a total and irrecoverable collapse. I find it increasingly hard not to think this is deliberate because I am unable to comprehend the colossal stupidity of our current trajectory viz "smartphones". It's like we want this to happen. Smartphone over-reliance is the single biggest national security threat I can see. We urgently need policy level thinking to shift things into a safer space.
dzhiurgis 4y ago
In a healthy society first person you ask for help would drop what they do and drive you to get a new phone or let use your phone to contact support. Too bad there are places or situations (i.e. dark gloomy night and you happen to be male outside of commonwealth) where people will turn away.
- Ekaros 4y ago
  And now, how will you prove that you are you when buying new phone? They will ask you to show the ID on the phone. Or click a link they just emailed you. Or hey why not give us this 2FA code, be it from generator or SMS...
  - dzhiurgis 4y ago
    That's telco's problem, innit? You can still have physical ID at home, for special scenarios just like this. The certificate from cards chip should just let you sign a new certificate in your new sim card. Or just use any type of biometrics. You give your name (pointless, really) and agree to face-id. Face hash gets validated by gov server. Facebook has solved this a decade ago. Big tech companies know 90% of population by name, face, all their kinks, activities, plans and desires - can the governments please catch up.
- kzrdude 4y ago
  And you need a new sim card for the existing phone number etc etc :)