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When I travel abroad I leave my passport in a safe place as much as I can if I don't absolutely have to carry it with me, along with a payment card and some cas

When I travel abroad I leave my passport in a safe place as much as I can if I don't absolutely have to carry it with me, along with a payment card and some cash. If I lose my phone or wallet I still have my passport and a mean of payment. Now I foresee a future in which a cause of homelessness will be losing your phone.

worble 4y ago
They just need to accept both. I can print off a digital plane ticket and keep one on my phone, if I lose one I always have the other. If I lose my physical passport though, I'm completely stuck. If I can have a physical and digital one though, there is at least some redundancy built in.
kzrdude 4y ago
There's already enough connected to the phone that it is terrifying what would happen if I were to lose it. Especially when travelling, but also when just working and commuting.
- Ekaros 4y ago
  I hate that we are building this single point of failure for absolutely everything. From money, to house and car keys. And then everything financial. First reasonable problem is simply losing it or it breaking. That is fun times if you don't have physical keys anymore. No car, no access to home, no way to contact the support... And second is that I'm paranoid and I don't think it will be safe enough. Thus connecting absolutely everything to it and identity it provides just feels scary. I think I could possibly buy an apartment with a loan if there was ID connected to phone and it was cracked...
  - sveme 4y ago
    It also means you become susceptible to the whims of Apple if anything breaks, is stolen or you lose it. Just imagine Google's horrid customer service and then you trying to navigate it to have a blocked account (to which your digital ID is connected) unblocked.
  - nonrandomstring 4y ago
    > we are building this single point of failure for absolutely everything. I don't think it will be safe enough. It won't. I believe we are actively setting up not only the biggest ever terrorist attack on civilised nations, which will dwarf 9/11, but potentially setting up a total and irrecoverable collapse. I find it increasingly hard not to think this is deliberate because I am unable to comprehend the colossal stupidity of our current trajectory viz "smartphones". It's like we want this to happen. Smartphone over-reliance is the single biggest national security threat I can see. We urgently need policy level thinking to shift things into a safer space.
  - dzhiurgis 4y ago
    In a healthy society first person you ask for help would drop what they do and drive you to get a new phone or let use your phone to contact support. Too bad there are places or situations (i.e. dark gloomy night and you happen to be male outside of commonwealth) where people will turn away.
    - Ekaros 4y ago
      And now, how will you prove that you are you when buying new phone? They will ask you to show the ID on the phone. Or click a link they just emailed you. Or hey why not give us this 2FA code, be it from generator or SMS...
      - dzhiurgis 4y ago
        That's telco's problem, innit? You can still have physical ID at home, for special scenarios just like this. The certificate from cards chip should just let you sign a new certificate in your new sim card. Or just use any type of biometrics. You give your name (pointless, really) and agree to face-id. Face hash gets validated by gov server. Facebook has solved this a decade ago. Big tech companies know 90% of population by name, face, all their kinks, activities, plans and desires - can the governments please catch up.
    - kzrdude 4y ago
      And you need a new sim card for the existing phone number etc etc :)
csomar 4y ago
Recently, I started carrying two phones. You can lose the phone or you can break it. An iPad/tablet should do the job though.
- itsthejb 4y ago
  The trick is to have a backup phone. I’ve been tending to keep an older generation iPhone, usually bought refurbished. I use it for run tracking, and have taken it on trips in the past as an “internet diet” device. It has access to my Bitwarden, Authy, etc, but keep installed apps to a minimum. Currently an iPhone 8
dajoh 4y ago
People losing their passports is not a new problem. Embassies can help you out and issue emergency travel documents for such situations.
- brador 4y ago
  How will you travel to the embassy?
  - tokinonagare 4y ago
    Hitch-hiking for example. It's not forbidden to ask people for help, most will refuse but there's often some kind soul that will give a hand.
  - dajoh 4y ago
    If I have no other better option: walk.
    - jaclaz 4y ago
      If you happen to be in a city where an embassy or consulate of your country actually exists, typically embassies are in the capital city of a country, and if you come from some countries there may be consulates in some other "main" city, but that's it. You may need to "walk" hundreds of km to reach one of those.
- dzhiurgis 4y ago
  Assuming every country has an embassy of each country (i.e. mine was 12 hours of flight time away)
vladvasiliu 4y ago
> When I travel abroad I leave my passport in a safe place as much as I can if I don't absolutely have to carry it with me, along with a payment card and some cash. I do, too. Then I went to the US and wanted to grab a beer. Had to go back to the hotel to get my passport to prove I'm over 21. My EU driver's license wasn't good enough (it had to be from that state). I'm also old enough to start balding.

worble 4y ago

They just need to accept both. I can print off a digital plane ticket and keep one on my phone, if I lose one I always have the other. If I lose my physical passport though, I'm completely stuck. If I can have a physical and digital one though, there is at least some redundancy built in.

kzrdude 4y ago

There's already enough connected to the phone that it is terrifying what would happen if I were to lose it. Especially when travelling, but also when just working and commuting.

Ekaros 4y ago
I hate that we are building this single point of failure for absolutely everything. From money, to house and car keys. And then everything financial. First reasonable problem is simply losing it or it breaking. That is fun times if you don't have physical keys anymore. No car, no access to home, no way to contact the support... And second is that I'm paranoid and I don't think it will be safe enough. Thus connecting absolutely everything to it and identity it provides just feels scary. I think I could possibly buy an apartment with a loan if there was ID connected to phone and it was cracked...
- sveme 4y ago
  It also means you become susceptible to the whims of Apple if anything breaks, is stolen or you lose it. Just imagine Google's horrid customer service and then you trying to navigate it to have a blocked account (to which your digital ID is connected) unblocked.
- nonrandomstring 4y ago
  > we are building this single point of failure for absolutely everything. I don't think it will be safe enough. It won't. I believe we are actively setting up not only the biggest ever terrorist attack on civilised nations, which will dwarf 9/11, but potentially setting up a total and irrecoverable collapse. I find it increasingly hard not to think this is deliberate because I am unable to comprehend the colossal stupidity of our current trajectory viz "smartphones". It's like we want this to happen. Smartphone over-reliance is the single biggest national security threat I can see. We urgently need policy level thinking to shift things into a safer space.
- dzhiurgis 4y ago
  In a healthy society first person you ask for help would drop what they do and drive you to get a new phone or let use your phone to contact support. Too bad there are places or situations (i.e. dark gloomy night and you happen to be male outside of commonwealth) where people will turn away.
  - Ekaros 4y ago
    And now, how will you prove that you are you when buying new phone? They will ask you to show the ID on the phone. Or click a link they just emailed you. Or hey why not give us this 2FA code, be it from generator or SMS...
    - dzhiurgis 4y ago
      That's telco's problem, innit? You can still have physical ID at home, for special scenarios just like this. The certificate from cards chip should just let you sign a new certificate in your new sim card. Or just use any type of biometrics. You give your name (pointless, really) and agree to face-id. Face hash gets validated by gov server. Facebook has solved this a decade ago. Big tech companies know 90% of population by name, face, all their kinks, activities, plans and desires - can the governments please catch up.
  - kzrdude 4y ago
    And you need a new sim card for the existing phone number etc etc :)

csomar 4y ago

Recently, I started carrying two phones. You can lose the phone or you can break it. An iPad/tablet should do the job though.

itsthejb 4y ago
The trick is to have a backup phone. I’ve been tending to keep an older generation iPhone, usually bought refurbished. I use it for run tracking, and have taken it on trips in the past as an “internet diet” device. It has access to my Bitwarden, Authy, etc, but keep installed apps to a minimum. Currently an iPhone 8

dajoh 4y ago

People losing their passports is not a new problem. Embassies can help you out and issue emergency travel documents for such situations.

brador 4y ago
How will you travel to the embassy?
- tokinonagare 4y ago
  Hitch-hiking for example. It's not forbidden to ask people for help, most will refuse but there's often some kind soul that will give a hand.
- dajoh 4y ago
  If I have no other better option: walk.
  - jaclaz 4y ago
    If you happen to be in a city where an embassy or consulate of your country actually exists, typically embassies are in the capital city of a country, and if you come from some countries there may be consulates in some other "main" city, but that's it. You may need to "walk" hundreds of km to reach one of those.
dzhiurgis 4y ago
Assuming every country has an embassy of each country (i.e. mine was 12 hours of flight time away)

vladvasiliu 4y ago

> When I travel abroad I leave my passport in a safe place as much as I can if I don't absolutely have to carry it with me, along with a payment card and some cash. I do, too. Then I went to the US and wanted to grab a beer. Had to go back to the hotel to get my passport to prove I'm over 21. My EU driver's license wasn't good enough (it had to be from that state). I'm also old enough to start balding.