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Well, last I heard, the going theory is that other animals, other primates, don't have gender whatsoever. They have biological sex, of course, but no concept of

Well, last I heard, the going theory is that other animals, other primates, don't have gender whatsoever. They have biological sex, of course, but no concept of gender: no concept that women should be in the kitchen can men should be bringing home to bacon, etc, etc, tired stereotypes that convey the point, etc. Clownfish will literally transition from male to female, but there's yet no research as of yet to suggest that Clownfish start wearing heals. You are correct, gender is a social construct, so is motherhood and fatherhood and so on, but that doesn't mean those things aren't real, don't mean anything, or impact our lives or aren't deeply and sincerely held identities.

slt2021 4y ago
If it is not scientific, but social construct, it means it can be accepted or rejected. So should we as a society universally accept all social constructs? Or should it be accepted on opt-in basis? I can only recognize universal nature laws, because I cant fight physics, and recognize legal laws, because they are enforced. But social constructs - it is not 100% clear to whom they are applicable and whether one can selectively reject certain social constructs. If a woman can reject social construct that she must be housewife and take care of kids, then by the same logic anyone can selectively reject any trendy social constructs like having gender #69
- nindalf 4y ago
  You talk a lot about Darwin's theory. You've strongly implied or outright said in many comments that gayness is a choice. Could you please go ahead and explain gay relationships in wild animals? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals). What's the matter, they're watching too much TV?
- Defletter 4y ago
  Nothing in this messy, complicated life is 100% clear; everything has exceptions, outliers, and grey areas... including biological sex. If you want to spend your free speech and precious time on this Earth invalidating other people's gender, then that's your prerogative, but you shouldn't be surprised if they use their free speech against you in return. Them calling you a bigot (or whatever) is a direct retaliation to you saying something objectionable about them or who they are. If you think they shouldn't be so offended then you should ask why you're so offended at being called a bigot. It works both ways.
josephcsible 4y ago
> Well, last I heard, the going theory is that other animals, other primates, don't have gender whatsoever. They have biological sex, of course, but no concept of gender: no concept that women should be in the kitchen can men should be bringing home to bacon, etc, etc, tired stereotypes that convey the point, etc. But they do: consider lions as an example. Male lions will guard the pride's territory while lionesses hunt for food.

slt2021 4y ago

If it is not scientific, but social construct, it means it can be accepted or rejected. So should we as a society universally accept all social constructs? Or should it be accepted on opt-in basis? I can only recognize universal nature laws, because I cant fight physics, and recognize legal laws, because they are enforced. But social constructs - it is not 100% clear to whom they are applicable and whether one can selectively reject certain social constructs. If a woman can reject social construct that she must be housewife and take care of kids, then by the same logic anyone can selectively reject any trendy social constructs like having gender #69

nindalf 4y ago
You talk a lot about Darwin's theory. You've strongly implied or outright said in many comments that gayness is a choice. Could you please go ahead and explain gay relationships in wild animals? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals). What's the matter, they're watching too much TV?
Defletter 4y ago
Nothing in this messy, complicated life is 100% clear; everything has exceptions, outliers, and grey areas... including biological sex. If you want to spend your free speech and precious time on this Earth invalidating other people's gender, then that's your prerogative, but you shouldn't be surprised if they use their free speech against you in return. Them calling you a bigot (or whatever) is a direct retaliation to you saying something objectionable about them or who they are. If you think they shouldn't be so offended then you should ask why you're so offended at being called a bigot. It works both ways.

josephcsible 4y ago

> Well, last I heard, the going theory is that other animals, other primates, don't have gender whatsoever. They have biological sex, of course, but no concept of gender: no concept that women should be in the kitchen can men should be bringing home to bacon, etc, etc, tired stereotypes that convey the point, etc. But they do: consider lions as an example. Male lions will guard the pride's territory while lionesses hunt for food.