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> indoctrination Do you honestly believe that a person can read a book about a gay person and think “yeah, sounds good. I’m gay now”? I have no doubt that low

> indoctrination Do you honestly believe that a person can read a book about a gay person and think “yeah, sounds good. I’m gay now”? I have no doubt that low intelligence ignorant homophobes believe this. They might not be aware of scientific research that links gayness with genetics. What do you believe?

slt2021 4y ago
there is scientific research about "rapid onset gender confusion" that is created from grooming practices in media and peer pressure. If one girl in a class comes out as a trans, her friends are more likely to come out as well, which then is reversed some time later. https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/s10508-021-02163-w.pdf https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/s10508-021-021... you are just ignorant of these side effects of grooming and are not aware of scientific research that links peer pressure and media pressure(grooming) with fake gender confusion among teens
- pseudalopex 4y ago
  The term is rapid onset gender dysphoria. And it's 1 paper where the author selected for parents who refused to accept their children were trans. You can call it scientific if you believe teenagers tell their parents everything and people never block out things they don't want to hear.
  - slt2021 4y ago
    it is not one paper, there are multiple papers by the author. Author got canceled in media because her research was based on patients and parents' feedback that was against media status-quo. Papers lays out facts about fake gender dysphoria that was not caused by patient actually being trans, and mainstream trend of grooming and allowing early gender therapy to kids is only multiplying these victim kids who undergo gender change and immediately regret it and have to reverse the gender reversal. Nobody wants to talk about downsides of grooming and it is alarming to many parents, and canceling researchers who study subject does not help understand this phenomenon better. I believe I am not alone, and there are millions of parents across the country that will fiercely fight against this erroneous practice. You can call these parents however you want: homophobes or other names, but that does not change their mind and does not present valid arguments against their view.
    - pseudalopex 4y ago
      > it is not one paper, there are multiple papers by the author. Her publication list is 1 paper on ROGD, 1 correction, 1 defense of the methodology, and 1 paper not on ROGD.[1] So 1 paper on ROGD. The findings weren't replicable when researchers asked the patients and looked at clinical evidence instead of asking hostile parents.[2] > Author got canceled in media because her research was based on patients and parents' feedback that was against media status-quo. She was criticized for ridiculous methodology. And media reported the controversy. > Papers lays out facts about fake gender dysphoria She laid out parents' perceptions and treated them like facts. And even she didn't call the dysphoria fake. [1] https://littmanresearch.com/publications/ https://littmanresearch.com/publications/ [2] https://www.jpeds.com/article/S0022-3476(21)01085-4/fulltext https://www.jpeds.com/article/S0022-3476(21)01085-4/fulltext
      - slt2021 4y ago
        looks like Mrs. Littman still believes in validity of her research and validity of methods and materials used. Her research view is considered toxic, only because its against mainstream consensus in media, that completely ignores medical errors in diagnosing and treating ROGD. she not only included parents, but asked patients as well, and their opinion does carry some weight in my book. there are commentaries in support of her continued research for sake of current and future patients https://www.researchgate.net/publication/334530426_In_Support_of_Research_Into_Rapid-Onset_Gender_Dysphoria https://www.researchgate.net/publication/334530426_In_Suppor... https://www.jpeds.com/article/S0022-3476(22)00185-8/fulltext https://www.jpeds.com/article/S0022-3476(22)00185-8/fulltext
        pseudalopex 4y ago
        The ROGD paper was parents only. Littman included patients in the paper not on ROGD. Her recruiting focus was a problem though. Even she didn't think 1 paper made a valid medical diagnosis and treatment guidelines. The 1st letter didn't dispute the critique of her methods. It said the question was important and should be studied more. The 2nd letter writer didn't understand the 2nd paper apparently. Littman predicted ROGD and childhood onset were 2 different groups. The distribution in the 2nd paper didn't look like 2 different groups. 80% of the parents in Littman's paper said their adolescents had 0 gender dysphoria criteria in childhood. But gender knowledge is 1 of the criteria. n = 173 isn't much smaller than n = 256. The paper didn't say what she said it said about anxiety. It speculated long standing gender dysphoria or social complications could lead to more anxiety. And her speculation about why recent awareness was associated with lower anxiety scores ignored it was everyone's 1st visit.
origin_path 4y ago
Part of why some people believe that is probably experience with teenage girls, who seem to somewhat frequently go through an "experimental" phase where they are lesbian or bi, but then later settle down with a man and stay in a long term (happy) relationship. Admittedly I never heard of a man doing this. Men seem to know they're gay from the start and stick with it, unless they are forced into a hetero "lavender marriage" by social rules. This idea of experimentation seems limited to women. But given that it happens so often, the phenomenon can't be entirely genetic.
- therealdrag0 4y ago
  Ya I know multiple guys who didn’t realize they were gay until their 30s due to the predominance of Herero pressure. They just thought relationships sucked and weren’t for them. Exposure to alternatives/acceptance earlier could have saved them decades of abstinence and confusion.

slt2021 4y ago

there is scientific research about "rapid onset gender confusion" that is created from grooming practices in media and peer pressure. If one girl in a class comes out as a trans, her friends are more likely to come out as well, which then is reversed some time later. https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/s10508-021-02163-w.pdf https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/s10508-021-021... you are just ignorant of these side effects of grooming and are not aware of scientific research that links peer pressure and media pressure(grooming) with fake gender confusion among teens

pseudalopex 4y ago
The term is rapid onset gender dysphoria. And it's 1 paper where the author selected for parents who refused to accept their children were trans. You can call it scientific if you believe teenagers tell their parents everything and people never block out things they don't want to hear.
- slt2021 4y ago
  it is not one paper, there are multiple papers by the author. Author got canceled in media because her research was based on patients and parents' feedback that was against media status-quo. Papers lays out facts about fake gender dysphoria that was not caused by patient actually being trans, and mainstream trend of grooming and allowing early gender therapy to kids is only multiplying these victim kids who undergo gender change and immediately regret it and have to reverse the gender reversal. Nobody wants to talk about downsides of grooming and it is alarming to many parents, and canceling researchers who study subject does not help understand this phenomenon better. I believe I am not alone, and there are millions of parents across the country that will fiercely fight against this erroneous practice. You can call these parents however you want: homophobes or other names, but that does not change their mind and does not present valid arguments against their view.
  - pseudalopex 4y ago
    > it is not one paper, there are multiple papers by the author. Her publication list is 1 paper on ROGD, 1 correction, 1 defense of the methodology, and 1 paper not on ROGD.[1] So 1 paper on ROGD. The findings weren't replicable when researchers asked the patients and looked at clinical evidence instead of asking hostile parents.[2] > Author got canceled in media because her research was based on patients and parents' feedback that was against media status-quo. She was criticized for ridiculous methodology. And media reported the controversy. > Papers lays out facts about fake gender dysphoria She laid out parents' perceptions and treated them like facts. And even she didn't call the dysphoria fake. [1] https://littmanresearch.com/publications/ https://littmanresearch.com/publications/ [2] https://www.jpeds.com/article/S0022-3476(21)01085-4/fulltext https://www.jpeds.com/article/S0022-3476(21)01085-4/fulltext
    - slt2021 4y ago
      looks like Mrs. Littman still believes in validity of her research and validity of methods and materials used. Her research view is considered toxic, only because its against mainstream consensus in media, that completely ignores medical errors in diagnosing and treating ROGD. she not only included parents, but asked patients as well, and their opinion does carry some weight in my book. there are commentaries in support of her continued research for sake of current and future patients https://www.researchgate.net/publication/334530426_In_Support_of_Research_Into_Rapid-Onset_Gender_Dysphoria https://www.researchgate.net/publication/334530426_In_Suppor... https://www.jpeds.com/article/S0022-3476(22)00185-8/fulltext https://www.jpeds.com/article/S0022-3476(22)00185-8/fulltext
      - pseudalopex 4y ago
        The ROGD paper was parents only. Littman included patients in the paper not on ROGD. Her recruiting focus was a problem though. Even she didn't think 1 paper made a valid medical diagnosis and treatment guidelines. The 1st letter didn't dispute the critique of her methods. It said the question was important and should be studied more. The 2nd letter writer didn't understand the 2nd paper apparently. Littman predicted ROGD and childhood onset were 2 different groups. The distribution in the 2nd paper didn't look like 2 different groups. 80% of the parents in Littman's paper said their adolescents had 0 gender dysphoria criteria in childhood. But gender knowledge is 1 of the criteria. n = 173 isn't much smaller than n = 256. The paper didn't say what she said it said about anxiety. It speculated long standing gender dysphoria or social complications could lead to more anxiety. And her speculation about why recent awareness was associated with lower anxiety scores ignored it was everyone's 1st visit.

origin_path 4y ago

Part of why some people believe that is probably experience with teenage girls, who seem to somewhat frequently go through an "experimental" phase where they are lesbian or bi, but then later settle down with a man and stay in a long term (happy) relationship. Admittedly I never heard of a man doing this. Men seem to know they're gay from the start and stick with it, unless they are forced into a hetero "lavender marriage" by social rules. This idea of experimentation seems limited to women. But given that it happens so often, the phenomenon can't be entirely genetic.

therealdrag0 4y ago
Ya I know multiple guys who didn’t realize they were gay until their 30s due to the predominance of Herero pressure. They just thought relationships sucked and weren’t for them. Exposure to alternatives/acceptance earlier could have saved them decades of abstinence and confusion.