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Library does not exist in a vacuum, it must serve the needs of their local residents. If residents think that queer pornographic novels should not be on displa

by slt2021 4y ago

Library does not exist in a vacuum, it must serve the needs of their local residents. If residents think that queer pornographic novels should not be on display for kids at library, then it kinda makes sense to curate content to meet the needs of residents. Those who need this book desperately can always checkout this book online. Good decision to organize grassroots movement among residents and tell library board clearly that library is not meeting needs of its residents/constituents/taxpayers. the subject of grooming is very alarming too, indoctrination of kids (in one way) is unacceptable

nindalf 4y ago
> indoctrination Do you honestly believe that a person can read a book about a gay person and think “yeah, sounds good. I’m gay now”? I have no doubt that low intelligence ignorant homophobes believe this. They might not be aware of scientific research that links gayness with genetics. What do you believe?
- slt2021 4y ago
  there is scientific research about "rapid onset gender confusion" that is created from grooming practices in media and peer pressure. If one girl in a class comes out as a trans, her friends are more likely to come out as well, which then is reversed some time later. https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/s10508-021-02163-w.pdf https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/s10508-021-021... you are just ignorant of these side effects of grooming and are not aware of scientific research that links peer pressure and media pressure(grooming) with fake gender confusion among teens
  - pseudalopex 4y ago
    The term is rapid onset gender dysphoria. And it's 1 paper where the author selected for parents who refused to accept their children were trans. You can call it scientific if you believe teenagers tell their parents everything and people never block out things they don't want to hear.
    - slt2021 4y ago
      it is not one paper, there are multiple papers by the author. Author got canceled in media because her research was based on patients and parents' feedback that was against media status-quo. Papers lays out facts about fake gender dysphoria that was not caused by patient actually being trans, and mainstream trend of grooming and allowing early gender therapy to kids is only multiplying these victim kids who undergo gender change and immediately regret it and have to reverse the gender reversal. Nobody wants to talk about downsides of grooming and it is alarming to many parents, and canceling researchers who study subject does not help understand this phenomenon better. I believe I am not alone, and there are millions of parents across the country that will fiercely fight against this erroneous practice. You can call these parents however you want: homophobes or other names, but that does not change their mind and does not present valid arguments against their view.
      - pseudalopex 4y ago
        > it is not one paper, there are multiple papers by the author. Her publication list is 1 paper on ROGD, 1 correction, 1 defense of the methodology, and 1 paper not on ROGD.[1] So 1 paper on ROGD. The findings weren't replicable when researchers asked the patients and looked at clinical evidence instead of asking hostile parents.[2] > Author got canceled in media because her research was based on patients and parents' feedback that was against media status-quo. She was criticized for ridiculous methodology. And media reported the controversy. > Papers lays out facts about fake gender dysphoria She laid out parents' perceptions and treated them like facts. And even she didn't call the dysphoria fake. [1] https://littmanresearch.com/publications/ https://littmanresearch.com/publications/ [2] https://www.jpeds.com/article/S0022-3476(21)01085-4/fulltext https://www.jpeds.com/article/S0022-3476(21)01085-4/fulltext
        slt2021 4y ago
        looks like Mrs. Littman still believes in validity of her research and validity of methods and materials used. Her research view is considered toxic, only because its against mainstream consensus in media, that completely ignores medical errors in diagnosing and treating ROGD. she not only included parents, but asked patients as well, and their opinion does carry some weight in my book. there are commentaries in support of her continued research for sake of current and future patients https://www.researchgate.net/publication/334530426_In_Support_of_Research_Into_Rapid-Onset_Gender_Dysphoria https://www.researchgate.net/publication/334530426_In_Suppor... https://www.jpeds.com/article/S0022-3476(22)00185-8/fulltext https://www.jpeds.com/article/S0022-3476(22)00185-8/fulltext
- origin_path 4y ago
  Part of why some people believe that is probably experience with teenage girls, who seem to somewhat frequently go through an "experimental" phase where they are lesbian or bi, but then later settle down with a man and stay in a long term (happy) relationship. Admittedly I never heard of a man doing this. Men seem to know they're gay from the start and stick with it, unless they are forced into a hetero "lavender marriage" by social rules. This idea of experimentation seems limited to women. But given that it happens so often, the phenomenon can't be entirely genetic.
  - therealdrag0 4y ago
    Ya I know multiple guys who didn’t realize they were gay until their 30s due to the predominance of Herero pressure. They just thought relationships sucked and weren’t for them. Exposure to alternatives/acceptance earlier could have saved them decades of abstinence and confusion.
Defletter 4y ago
> If residents think that queer pornographic novels should not be on display for kids at library, Gosh, what an inflammatory claim. I better read the article to check that... > The book, which includes depictions of sex, was in the adult section of the library. Huh, I guess people really do like to spin things these days, don't they?
- slt2021 4y ago
  it is not up to me or you to decide, those who pay for public library services can decide for themselves what books they want to fund out of their pockets
  - Defletter 4y ago
    Maybe don't flagrantly lie in the future.
- josephcsible 4y ago
  That one book was. But if you look at the letter in the article, there were several other books like it that were indeed in the kids' section. (Also, libraries generally don't have curtains or barriers to keep kids out of the adults' section, so prominently displaying pornographic books isn't really a great thing to do even when it's done there.)
  - slt2021 4y ago
    high schoolers don't hang around in kids section, they all read adult section. Kids section is for elementary/middle schoolers. But high schoolers are the most vulnerable to false gender dysphoria due to propaganda and peer pressure
  - pseudalopex 4y ago
    The letter said LGBT books for kids were added to the library. The flyer made LGBTQ CONTENT AND PORNOGRAPHIC SEXUALLY GRAPHIC MATERIAL 1 category. They didn't say there were pornographic books in the kids' section. The letter said Gender Queer was placed in the library. The flyer said it was discovered. Where did you read it was prominently displayed? I looked up Gender Queer. I can't say if it belongs in a public library because I didn't read it. But it seemed like the explicit drawings were a small part and had a purpose. Graphic and pornographic are different.
timeon 4y ago
> indoctrination of kids (in one way) is unacceptable Unless in church.
- slt2021 4y ago
  Unless with parents' consent - fixed that for you. You are welcome

nindalf 4y ago

> indoctrination Do you honestly believe that a person can read a book about a gay person and think “yeah, sounds good. I’m gay now”? I have no doubt that low intelligence ignorant homophobes believe this. They might not be aware of scientific research that links gayness with genetics. What do you believe?

slt2021 4y ago
there is scientific research about "rapid onset gender confusion" that is created from grooming practices in media and peer pressure. If one girl in a class comes out as a trans, her friends are more likely to come out as well, which then is reversed some time later. https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/s10508-021-02163-w.pdf https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/s10508-021-021... you are just ignorant of these side effects of grooming and are not aware of scientific research that links peer pressure and media pressure(grooming) with fake gender confusion among teens
- pseudalopex 4y ago
  The term is rapid onset gender dysphoria. And it's 1 paper where the author selected for parents who refused to accept their children were trans. You can call it scientific if you believe teenagers tell their parents everything and people never block out things they don't want to hear.
  - slt2021 4y ago
    it is not one paper, there are multiple papers by the author. Author got canceled in media because her research was based on patients and parents' feedback that was against media status-quo. Papers lays out facts about fake gender dysphoria that was not caused by patient actually being trans, and mainstream trend of grooming and allowing early gender therapy to kids is only multiplying these victim kids who undergo gender change and immediately regret it and have to reverse the gender reversal. Nobody wants to talk about downsides of grooming and it is alarming to many parents, and canceling researchers who study subject does not help understand this phenomenon better. I believe I am not alone, and there are millions of parents across the country that will fiercely fight against this erroneous practice. You can call these parents however you want: homophobes or other names, but that does not change their mind and does not present valid arguments against their view.
    - pseudalopex 4y ago
      > it is not one paper, there are multiple papers by the author. Her publication list is 1 paper on ROGD, 1 correction, 1 defense of the methodology, and 1 paper not on ROGD.[1] So 1 paper on ROGD. The findings weren't replicable when researchers asked the patients and looked at clinical evidence instead of asking hostile parents.[2] > Author got canceled in media because her research was based on patients and parents' feedback that was against media status-quo. She was criticized for ridiculous methodology. And media reported the controversy. > Papers lays out facts about fake gender dysphoria She laid out parents' perceptions and treated them like facts. And even she didn't call the dysphoria fake. [1] https://littmanresearch.com/publications/ https://littmanresearch.com/publications/ [2] https://www.jpeds.com/article/S0022-3476(21)01085-4/fulltext https://www.jpeds.com/article/S0022-3476(21)01085-4/fulltext
      - slt2021 4y ago
        looks like Mrs. Littman still believes in validity of her research and validity of methods and materials used. Her research view is considered toxic, only because its against mainstream consensus in media, that completely ignores medical errors in diagnosing and treating ROGD. she not only included parents, but asked patients as well, and their opinion does carry some weight in my book. there are commentaries in support of her continued research for sake of current and future patients https://www.researchgate.net/publication/334530426_In_Support_of_Research_Into_Rapid-Onset_Gender_Dysphoria https://www.researchgate.net/publication/334530426_In_Suppor... https://www.jpeds.com/article/S0022-3476(22)00185-8/fulltext https://www.jpeds.com/article/S0022-3476(22)00185-8/fulltext
origin_path 4y ago
Part of why some people believe that is probably experience with teenage girls, who seem to somewhat frequently go through an "experimental" phase where they are lesbian or bi, but then later settle down with a man and stay in a long term (happy) relationship. Admittedly I never heard of a man doing this. Men seem to know they're gay from the start and stick with it, unless they are forced into a hetero "lavender marriage" by social rules. This idea of experimentation seems limited to women. But given that it happens so often, the phenomenon can't be entirely genetic.
- therealdrag0 4y ago
  Ya I know multiple guys who didn’t realize they were gay until their 30s due to the predominance of Herero pressure. They just thought relationships sucked and weren’t for them. Exposure to alternatives/acceptance earlier could have saved them decades of abstinence and confusion.

Defletter 4y ago

> If residents think that queer pornographic novels should not be on display for kids at library, Gosh, what an inflammatory claim. I better read the article to check that... > The book, which includes depictions of sex, was in the adult section of the library. Huh, I guess people really do like to spin things these days, don't they?

slt2021 4y ago
it is not up to me or you to decide, those who pay for public library services can decide for themselves what books they want to fund out of their pockets
- Defletter 4y ago
  Maybe don't flagrantly lie in the future.
josephcsible 4y ago
That one book was. But if you look at the letter in the article, there were several other books like it that were indeed in the kids' section. (Also, libraries generally don't have curtains or barriers to keep kids out of the adults' section, so prominently displaying pornographic books isn't really a great thing to do even when it's done there.)
- slt2021 4y ago
  high schoolers don't hang around in kids section, they all read adult section. Kids section is for elementary/middle schoolers. But high schoolers are the most vulnerable to false gender dysphoria due to propaganda and peer pressure
- pseudalopex 4y ago
  The letter said LGBT books for kids were added to the library. The flyer made LGBTQ CONTENT AND PORNOGRAPHIC SEXUALLY GRAPHIC MATERIAL 1 category. They didn't say there were pornographic books in the kids' section. The letter said Gender Queer was placed in the library. The flyer said it was discovered. Where did you read it was prominently displayed? I looked up Gender Queer. I can't say if it belongs in a public library because I didn't read it. But it seemed like the explicit drawings were a small part and had a purpose. Graphic and pornographic are different.

timeon 4y ago

> indoctrination of kids (in one way) is unacceptable Unless in church.

slt2021 4y ago
Unless with parents' consent - fixed that for you. You are welcome