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Yes, this is US, not Europe. There are no laws against denying historical events. If people really want to read things like that, then the publicly funded loca

Yes, this is US, not Europe. There are no laws against denying historical events. If people really want to read things like that, then the publicly funded local liberal should carry them. In fact, many US public libraries already do carry such books. Here's a search for books by David Irving in the catalogue of Brooklyn Public Library. [1] He is often accused of being a Holocaust denier. [2] [1]: https://www.bklynlibrary.org/search?search=david+irving https://www.bklynlibrary.org/search?search=david+irving [2]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Irving https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Irving

mrtesthah 4y ago
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- DuskStar 4y ago
  > books on how to commit murder, torture, arson, or mass shootings in a school? The Anarchists Cookbook used to be found in libraries. I'd hope it still is, along with books on energetic backyard chemistry. Not a 100% match, but in the ballpark. > photo books portraying motorcycle crash victims or war casualties? Not sure about motorcycles, but I'm sure you can find war casualties. Napalm girl https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phan_Thi_Kim_Phuc https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phan_Thi_Kim_Phuc at the very least. > Hard core rape pornography? Libraries do not typically carry porn. In fact, that's part of what the detractors would say this is about - that the pro-trans books sometimes contain pornographic images. (Of course, no one cares about 50 Shades or bodice rippers...)
- cato_the_elder 4y ago
  First of all, those are erroneous and egregious comparisons. Secondly, it's quite possible that your local public library might have a copy of The Anarchist Cookbook [1]. For example, NYPL does carry it. [2] [1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Anarchist_Cookbook https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Anarchist_Cookbook [2]: https://browse.nypl.org/iii/encore/record/C__Rb21741991 https://browse.nypl.org/iii/encore/record/C__Rb21741991
- slt2021 4y ago
  the pro-trans book actually did contain pornographic content and it was one of the reasons it should not be on display for kids
  - Defletter 4y ago
    Since you're throwing this accusation around like confetti, the article explicitly states the book was in the adult section.
    - slt2021 4y ago
      doesn't change the fact that teenagers (the most vulnerable population to fake trans dysphoria) can and will read this book. If you ever been to library, kids section is for elementary/middle school, but high schoolers absolutely do read adult section books
      - Defletter 4y ago
        Teenagers choosing for themselves to seek this book out in the adult section is a teensy tiny bit different than it "be[ing] on display for kids", don't you think? Do you just habitually lie to people? Can you simply not help yourself but make things seem worse than they are?
        slt2021 4y ago
        it is not different, you seem like haven't visited public library for a very long time. If you ever been to libraries in heavy left-leaning woke towns, like Mountain View Public Library, you would see trans books on display in kids area and in Curated by librarian section.
        Defletter 4y ago
        I'd like to see proof of that
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CameronNemo 4y ago
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- cato_the_elder 4y ago
  Opposing censorship doesn't make you a Nazi. I agree that librarians should be paid more though.
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Archelaos 4y ago
> If people really want to read things like that, then the publicly funded local liberal should carry them. Do US libraries typically offer books that glorify 9/11? (I mean the second 9/11 of 2001, not the first of 1973.)
- aliqot 4y ago
  If they did there is a protected right to carry such materials. These same draconian censorship rules removed Maus, a kids book, from libraries.
  - josephcsible 4y ago
    > Maus, a kids book If Maus were rated according to TV standards, there's no way it'd get less than TV-14. Unless you think shows rated TV-14 can be kids' shows, I think that disqualifies it as a kids' book.
    - dragonwriter 4y ago
      > If Maus were rated according to TV standards, there's no way it'd get less than TV-14. Unless you think shows rated TV-14 can be kids' shows, Are 14 year olds adults?
      - raarts 4y ago
        No, but 8 year old are kids too and Maus is definitely not for them.
      - xbar 4y ago
        In the world of fiction, they are very decidedly YA. So, yes.
  - DuskStar 4y ago
    Pretty sure the Maus case was on no longer using it in the syllabus. It was still in the library.
fulafel 4y ago
Holocaust denial laws are not a general European thing, they exist mostly in formerly axis countries. And general laws against denying historical events even less so.

mrtesthah 4y ago

DuskStar 4y ago
> books on how to commit murder, torture, arson, or mass shootings in a school? The Anarchists Cookbook used to be found in libraries. I'd hope it still is, along with books on energetic backyard chemistry. Not a 100% match, but in the ballpark. > photo books portraying motorcycle crash victims or war casualties? Not sure about motorcycles, but I'm sure you can find war casualties. Napalm girl https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phan_Thi_Kim_Phuc https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phan_Thi_Kim_Phuc at the very least. > Hard core rape pornography? Libraries do not typically carry porn. In fact, that's part of what the detractors would say this is about - that the pro-trans books sometimes contain pornographic images. (Of course, no one cares about 50 Shades or bodice rippers...)
cato_the_elder 4y ago
First of all, those are erroneous and egregious comparisons. Secondly, it's quite possible that your local public library might have a copy of The Anarchist Cookbook [1]. For example, NYPL does carry it. [2] [1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Anarchist_Cookbook https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Anarchist_Cookbook [2]: https://browse.nypl.org/iii/encore/record/C__Rb21741991 https://browse.nypl.org/iii/encore/record/C__Rb21741991
slt2021 4y ago
the pro-trans book actually did contain pornographic content and it was one of the reasons it should not be on display for kids
- Defletter 4y ago
  Since you're throwing this accusation around like confetti, the article explicitly states the book was in the adult section.
  - slt2021 4y ago
    doesn't change the fact that teenagers (the most vulnerable population to fake trans dysphoria) can and will read this book. If you ever been to library, kids section is for elementary/middle school, but high schoolers absolutely do read adult section books
    - Defletter 4y ago
      Teenagers choosing for themselves to seek this book out in the adult section is a teensy tiny bit different than it "be[ing] on display for kids", don't you think? Do you just habitually lie to people? Can you simply not help yourself but make things seem worse than they are?
      - slt2021 4y ago
        it is not different, you seem like haven't visited public library for a very long time. If you ever been to libraries in heavy left-leaning woke towns, like Mountain View Public Library, you would see trans books on display in kids area and in Curated by librarian section.
        Defletter 4y ago
        I'd like to see proof of that
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CameronNemo 4y ago

cato_the_elder 4y ago
Opposing censorship doesn't make you a Nazi. I agree that librarians should be paid more though.
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Archelaos 4y ago

> If people really want to read things like that, then the publicly funded local liberal should carry them. Do US libraries typically offer books that glorify 9/11? (I mean the second 9/11 of 2001, not the first of 1973.)

aliqot 4y ago
If they did there is a protected right to carry such materials. These same draconian censorship rules removed Maus, a kids book, from libraries.
- josephcsible 4y ago
  > Maus, a kids book If Maus were rated according to TV standards, there's no way it'd get less than TV-14. Unless you think shows rated TV-14 can be kids' shows, I think that disqualifies it as a kids' book.
  - dragonwriter 4y ago
    > If Maus were rated according to TV standards, there's no way it'd get less than TV-14. Unless you think shows rated TV-14 can be kids' shows, Are 14 year olds adults?
    - raarts 4y ago
      No, but 8 year old are kids too and Maus is definitely not for them.
    - xbar 4y ago
      In the world of fiction, they are very decidedly YA. So, yes.
- DuskStar 4y ago
  Pretty sure the Maus case was on no longer using it in the syllabus. It was still in the library.

fulafel 4y ago

Holocaust denial laws are not a general European thing, they exist mostly in formerly axis countries. And general laws against denying historical events even less so.