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It's a demonstrated fact that traditional conservatives are punished for expressing the opinion that Donald Trump is obscene and distasteful.

jollybean 4y ago
I think you and onos are not quite making the same point. Conservative voices are a bit suppressed in some places, like on Campus. Some don't like to accept that, but it's true. But it's a kind of Social Justice institutionalism that would be the issue there. Otherwise, 'classical conservatives' who voice their opinion against Trump, are also ostracized by that far right gang, which is very true. So that's a different kind of 'fear to speak up'. Liz Cheney is getting punted out of Office for that right now. But that has always existed - the centre/far elements of 'each side' definitely have wars. You can see it play out at the NYT editorial staff among the Social Justice left (younger) and the Traditional Liberal left (middle aged). I don't feel that Musk can be reasonably located anywhere in there.
- antifa 4y ago
  >Conservative voices are a bit suppressed in some places, like on Campus. I think it's a bit misleading though. Who would goto college and listen to somebody repeat ad nauseum their parent's conservative talking points they've already heard their entire lifes? Or listen to someone even more radically conservative than their parents? Also a lot of those "suppressed" people were just openly bigoted and claiming to feel persecuted when they're not allowed to persecute people they don't like.
  - jollybean 4y ago
    Well you've proved my point for me. Your assumption that 'conservative' voices lack in legitimacy and are merely repetitious of their parents views, and worse, that they are trying to 'persecute' people is itself obviously bigoted, and gives us a crystal clear example of the problem. Even views such as 'people ought to be treated for who they are and not their intersecting identities' is oddly 'conservative' in 2022. Or 'Trans women are different than women' - some argue is a transphobic/conservative position. etc.
    - antifa 4y ago
      > Even views such as 'people ought to be treated for who they are and not their intersecting identities' is oddly 'conservative' in 2022. Claiming to do this while doing the opposite is a popular "conservative" position in 2022.
ThunderSizzle 4y ago
It's a demonstrated fact that traditional conservatives are punished for expressing anything that Leftists disagree with, which is everything because a conservative said it.
- Infinity315 4y ago
  This is mostly true of social conservatism. No one is getting canceled for saying we should reduce taxes and spend less in government.
  - ThunderSizzle 4y ago
    Yes, they do. You want grandma to die? We need to spend 1 billion to Ukraine right now or else Grandma will die. You want to murder Grandma? You should lose your job over this. I can't believe you can't be a little generous and send something to the current political target of the month. You are too selfish to have a job. I've seen the logic train be that bad. Cancel culture has no end.
- mjmsmith 4y ago
  It's a demonstrated fact that unhinged hyperbole isn't a demonstrated fact.

jollybean 4y ago

I think you and onos are not quite making the same point. Conservative voices are a bit suppressed in some places, like on Campus. Some don't like to accept that, but it's true. But it's a kind of Social Justice institutionalism that would be the issue there. Otherwise, 'classical conservatives' who voice their opinion against Trump, are also ostracized by that far right gang, which is very true. So that's a different kind of 'fear to speak up'. Liz Cheney is getting punted out of Office for that right now. But that has always existed - the centre/far elements of 'each side' definitely have wars. You can see it play out at the NYT editorial staff among the Social Justice left (younger) and the Traditional Liberal left (middle aged). I don't feel that Musk can be reasonably located anywhere in there.

antifa 4y ago
>Conservative voices are a bit suppressed in some places, like on Campus. I think it's a bit misleading though. Who would goto college and listen to somebody repeat ad nauseum their parent's conservative talking points they've already heard their entire lifes? Or listen to someone even more radically conservative than their parents? Also a lot of those "suppressed" people were just openly bigoted and claiming to feel persecuted when they're not allowed to persecute people they don't like.
- jollybean 4y ago
  Well you've proved my point for me. Your assumption that 'conservative' voices lack in legitimacy and are merely repetitious of their parents views, and worse, that they are trying to 'persecute' people is itself obviously bigoted, and gives us a crystal clear example of the problem. Even views such as 'people ought to be treated for who they are and not their intersecting identities' is oddly 'conservative' in 2022. Or 'Trans women are different than women' - some argue is a transphobic/conservative position. etc.
  - antifa 4y ago
    > Even views such as 'people ought to be treated for who they are and not their intersecting identities' is oddly 'conservative' in 2022. Claiming to do this while doing the opposite is a popular "conservative" position in 2022.

ThunderSizzle 4y ago

It's a demonstrated fact that traditional conservatives are punished for expressing anything that Leftists disagree with, which is everything because a conservative said it.

Infinity315 4y ago
This is mostly true of social conservatism. No one is getting canceled for saying we should reduce taxes and spend less in government.
- ThunderSizzle 4y ago
  Yes, they do. You want grandma to die? We need to spend 1 billion to Ukraine right now or else Grandma will die. You want to murder Grandma? You should lose your job over this. I can't believe you can't be a little generous and send something to the current political target of the month. You are too selfish to have a job. I've seen the logic train be that bad. Cancel culture has no end.
mjmsmith 4y ago
It's a demonstrated fact that unhinged hyperbole isn't a demonstrated fact.