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and it's still more important to have free speech because who decides "truth" and "lie"... and what happens when those in power switch and the other side decide

and it's still more important to have free speech because who decides "truth" and "lie"... and what happens when those in power switch and the other side decides. Want Biden or Obama to have some power? Are you going to be okay with Bush or Trump gets that power?

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krapp 4y ago
Political parties and Presidents don't decide what truth is and what lies are in the United States, or other free countries.
- adamredwoods 4y ago
  Yes they can. They cannot enforce their decisions directly. They can certainly influence, and perhaps even form alliances that propagate those decisions. With those alliances, some decisions can be made into law.
  - krapp 4y ago
    If they can't enforce their decisions, they're not really making decisions. GP was implying that regulating speech meant "truth" and "lies" would depend entirely on which political party happened to be in power at the time. But we already live in a society in which speech is regulated, and that doesn't happen. Trump tried as hard as he could, but every lie he spouted was still pushed against, much to his dismay. He convinced people who already bought into the party line, but no one else was forced into accepting or spreading his point of view. Freedom of speech still exists where debate, conflict and truth discovery can still occur. Regulating speech mediates free speech, but doesn't have to eliminate it. The marketplace of ideas can accept that some ideas are not worth keeping.
    - johnmosermd 4y ago
      > If they can't enforce their decisions, they're not really making decisions. Why are you talking? For that matter, why do we have media, or even schools?
LBJsPNS 4y ago
BE AFRAID!!! BE VERY AFRAID!!
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bandyaboot 4y ago
I don’t think I suggested granting a particular power to the president. I just engaged in a discussion on the nature of truth and lies. I would suggest that you at least try to put yourself in the position of these parents when thinking about this topic (as impossible as that may be). Imagine having your child murdered then having this waste of life make up vicious lies about you and your dead child.
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krapp 4y ago

Political parties and Presidents don't decide what truth is and what lies are in the United States, or other free countries.

adamredwoods 4y ago
Yes they can. They cannot enforce their decisions directly. They can certainly influence, and perhaps even form alliances that propagate those decisions. With those alliances, some decisions can be made into law.
- krapp 4y ago
  If they can't enforce their decisions, they're not really making decisions. GP was implying that regulating speech meant "truth" and "lies" would depend entirely on which political party happened to be in power at the time. But we already live in a society in which speech is regulated, and that doesn't happen. Trump tried as hard as he could, but every lie he spouted was still pushed against, much to his dismay. He convinced people who already bought into the party line, but no one else was forced into accepting or spreading his point of view. Freedom of speech still exists where debate, conflict and truth discovery can still occur. Regulating speech mediates free speech, but doesn't have to eliminate it. The marketplace of ideas can accept that some ideas are not worth keeping.
  - johnmosermd 4y ago
    > If they can't enforce their decisions, they're not really making decisions. Why are you talking? For that matter, why do we have media, or even schools?

LBJsPNS 4y ago

BE AFRAID!!! BE VERY AFRAID!!

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bandyaboot 4y ago

I don’t think I suggested granting a particular power to the president. I just engaged in a discussion on the nature of truth and lies. I would suggest that you at least try to put yourself in the position of these parents when thinking about this topic (as impossible as that may be). Imagine having your child murdered then having this waste of life make up vicious lies about you and your dead child.

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