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Does anyone have a link to what he actually said? Now I’m curious. I hadn’t really been aware of this most recent Alex Jones shenanigan.

wyager 4y ago
- Beltalowda 4y ago
  He claimed loudly and often for years; "at one point" makes it sound like an off-hand remark he made once or twice, but that's not really the case. He started backpeddling the minute people filled suit, as any true man of principle fighting the bad guys would do. For years he made factual claims about specific people that are demonstrably and provably untrue (i.e. that they're "crisis actors" who faked the lot), which does not fall under Free Speech, and did cause damages because several of Jones' followers did harass various survivors and family members with their bullshit.
  - wyager 4y ago
    - graywh 4y ago
      the shooting was in 2012 and the lawsuits were filed in 2018
- oliwarner 4y ago
  This is just a terrible take. You should read one of the billion case summaries published this week. Maybe you'll see why "tons of people" have reacted the way they have.
  - wyager 4y ago
decebalus1 4y ago
If you have the time, listen to this https://www.thisamericanlife.org/670/beware-the-jabberwock https://www.thisamericanlife.org/670/beware-the-jabberwock It's really well produced and informative.
jonas21 4y ago
He said that the Sandy Hook shooting was a hoax, it was fake, it didn't happen. They play portions of it in an interview with him here: https://youtu.be/-HzOqZeX3Yk?t=524 https://youtu.be/-HzOqZeX3Yk?t=524 He also claimed the parents were actors, and it was all done in front of a blue screen: https://www.mediamatters.org/embed/clips/2016%3A11%3A29%3A51283%3Agcn-alexjones-20140314-shooting https://www.mediamatters.org/embed/clips/2016%3A11%3A29%3A51...
- sleepybrett 4y ago
  He did this for years, after it was blindingly obvious to literally everyone but his followers that it wasn't some kind of 'deep state globalist false flag hoax with crisis actors'. Those followers would track down the parents no matter the circumstances, if they moved, they would be found and harassed, if they changed their names, they would be found and harassed. Jones kept platforming a lunatic named 'Wolfgang Halbig' who spent years as one of Jones' primary sources on sandy hook. Halbig would show up to the parent's houses and taunt and 'question' them and their neighbors. It was abhorrent. After a while the parents (via counsel I think) reached out to inforwars and asked them stop. They did not. At one point one of the infowars editorial staff in an email pointed out that they were in a legally precarious situation and should back off the sandy hook shit. It didn't stop. It was only when the suits were brought that alex tried to cool things down on his show. Then he did everything he could to delay the trials which eventually ended when he was found in default on all four pending suits. This is the first to go into damages phase.
  - ZeroGravitas 4y ago
    In many ways the Truther’s are also tragic victims, if I was a relative of theirs I would also sue: https://slate.com/human-interest/2022/06/shooting-school-texas-uvalde-sandy-hook-conspiracy.html https://slate.com/human-interest/2022/06/shooting-school-tex... > In our exchanges, Kelley Watt had spoken proudly of Madison, a gifted artist and linguist, who to Watt’s frustration “doesn’t question things the way her mother does.” > In a fraught, seven-hour conversation, Madison relived the breakdown of her family while her mother pursued self-actualization through conspiracy-mongering. A reserved, cerebral young woman, she left Tulsa for good when she won a scholarship to a prestigious university in New York. Today she lives with her family in Europe, where she works as a consultant. She pushes back against her mother’s beliefs, but has never been able to dissuade her. > When cornered by the truth, Kelley Watt “moves the goalposts,” Madison said, and she didn’t see much hope for changing her mother’s mind. “The only thing that could make her question it would be if that inner circle of hers started to doubt or chip away, but even then, it would be hard,” she told me. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/09/the-sandy-hook-hoax.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/09/the-sandy-hook-hoax.... > Alex Jones invited Halbig on his show to share his run-in with the police and to detail the 16 questions Halbig believed needed to be answered about Sandy Hook. (“12. Why did the parents of the two children who died at the Danbury hospital not allow their children to donate their organs to other children waiting for the gift of life?”) Halbig told Jones the stress of the investigation was threatening his marriage, but said in another interview that nothing could stop him. “You’re willing to die for this?” the host asked. > “Yes, I will,” Halbig said.
gpm 4y ago
You can probably find a video of the trial on youtube, which will have some excerpts (as in, some hour long videos of him ranting, and some 10 second clips of him ranting). No one will have a link to everything he actually said, since some unclear amount of it was deleted.

wyager 4y ago

Beltalowda 4y ago
He claimed loudly and often for years; "at one point" makes it sound like an off-hand remark he made once or twice, but that's not really the case. He started backpeddling the minute people filled suit, as any true man of principle fighting the bad guys would do. For years he made factual claims about specific people that are demonstrably and provably untrue (i.e. that they're "crisis actors" who faked the lot), which does not fall under Free Speech, and did cause damages because several of Jones' followers did harass various survivors and family members with their bullshit.
- wyager 4y ago
  - graywh 4y ago
    the shooting was in 2012 and the lawsuits were filed in 2018
oliwarner 4y ago
This is just a terrible take. You should read one of the billion case summaries published this week. Maybe you'll see why "tons of people" have reacted the way they have.
- wyager 4y ago

decebalus1 4y ago

If you have the time, listen to this https://www.thisamericanlife.org/670/beware-the-jabberwock https://www.thisamericanlife.org/670/beware-the-jabberwock It's really well produced and informative.

jonas21 4y ago

He said that the Sandy Hook shooting was a hoax, it was fake, it didn't happen. They play portions of it in an interview with him here: https://youtu.be/-HzOqZeX3Yk?t=524 https://youtu.be/-HzOqZeX3Yk?t=524 He also claimed the parents were actors, and it was all done in front of a blue screen: https://www.mediamatters.org/embed/clips/2016%3A11%3A29%3A51283%3Agcn-alexjones-20140314-shooting https://www.mediamatters.org/embed/clips/2016%3A11%3A29%3A51...

sleepybrett 4y ago
He did this for years, after it was blindingly obvious to literally everyone but his followers that it wasn't some kind of 'deep state globalist false flag hoax with crisis actors'. Those followers would track down the parents no matter the circumstances, if they moved, they would be found and harassed, if they changed their names, they would be found and harassed. Jones kept platforming a lunatic named 'Wolfgang Halbig' who spent years as one of Jones' primary sources on sandy hook. Halbig would show up to the parent's houses and taunt and 'question' them and their neighbors. It was abhorrent. After a while the parents (via counsel I think) reached out to inforwars and asked them stop. They did not. At one point one of the infowars editorial staff in an email pointed out that they were in a legally precarious situation and should back off the sandy hook shit. It didn't stop. It was only when the suits were brought that alex tried to cool things down on his show. Then he did everything he could to delay the trials which eventually ended when he was found in default on all four pending suits. This is the first to go into damages phase.
- ZeroGravitas 4y ago
  In many ways the Truther’s are also tragic victims, if I was a relative of theirs I would also sue: https://slate.com/human-interest/2022/06/shooting-school-texas-uvalde-sandy-hook-conspiracy.html https://slate.com/human-interest/2022/06/shooting-school-tex... > In our exchanges, Kelley Watt had spoken proudly of Madison, a gifted artist and linguist, who to Watt’s frustration “doesn’t question things the way her mother does.” > In a fraught, seven-hour conversation, Madison relived the breakdown of her family while her mother pursued self-actualization through conspiracy-mongering. A reserved, cerebral young woman, she left Tulsa for good when she won a scholarship to a prestigious university in New York. Today she lives with her family in Europe, where she works as a consultant. She pushes back against her mother’s beliefs, but has never been able to dissuade her. > When cornered by the truth, Kelley Watt “moves the goalposts,” Madison said, and she didn’t see much hope for changing her mother’s mind. “The only thing that could make her question it would be if that inner circle of hers started to doubt or chip away, but even then, it would be hard,” she told me. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/09/the-sandy-hook-hoax.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/09/the-sandy-hook-hoax.... > Alex Jones invited Halbig on his show to share his run-in with the police and to detail the 16 questions Halbig believed needed to be answered about Sandy Hook. (“12. Why did the parents of the two children who died at the Danbury hospital not allow their children to donate their organs to other children waiting for the gift of life?”) Halbig told Jones the stress of the investigation was threatening his marriage, but said in another interview that nothing could stop him. “You’re willing to die for this?” the host asked. > “Yes, I will,” Halbig said.

gpm 4y ago

You can probably find a video of the trial on youtube, which will have some excerpts (as in, some hour long videos of him ranting, and some 10 second clips of him ranting). No one will have a link to everything he actually said, since some unclear amount of it was deleted.