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Huawei and the USA has some history. The first Huawei product was a line of routers that had the same names (Cisco gave all their routers a numbers as their nam

Huawei and the USA has some history. The first Huawei product was a line of routers that had the same names (Cisco gave all their routers a numbers as their names), same features, ports, command interface, and even same bugs. As the corresponding Cisco routers.

count 4y ago
Don't forget that was a joint effort by 3Com w/Huawei. The debug messages even still said Cisco. It was ridiculous.
- CodeSgt 4y ago
  Wow! I've never heard of thus. How were the counterfeit servers eventually discovered to be counterfeits? Sounds like this went pretty deep.
  - signa11 4y ago
    you buy one, and ask your engineers to go to work on it. make sure it is air gapped…
    - count 4y ago
      LOL, more like, you take the factory manufacturing stuff, and the stolen source code for the OS that runs on it, you run a sed script to replace 'Cisco' with '3Com' and 'IOS' with '3OS' but make it not actually do so everywhere, and then just change the badge and ship to customers. And for what it's worth, they were network switches/routers, not servers. Cisco didn't make 'servers' back in the day. https://www.infoworld.com/article/2674627/3com-huawei-joint-venture-begins-operations.html https://www.infoworld.com/article/2674627/3com-huawei-joint-...
- signa11 4y ago
  yup, c10k (iirc) was one of the affected platforms.
orbital-decay 4y ago
Hold on, are we talking about the same Cisco that also outright stole its first product, with the founders narrowly avoiding jail time? [0] Huawei vs Nortel (Canada) is a far more interesting story. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisco#1984%E2%80%931995:_Origins_and_initial_growth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisco#1984%E2%80%931995:_Origi... >On July 11, 1986, Bosack and Lougheed were forced to resign from Stanford and the university contemplated filing criminal complaints against Cisco and its founders for the theft of its software, hardware designs, and other intellectual properties.[15]
- musicale 4y ago
  "But this was not exactly bad, because other things had happened like that at Stanford before." Presumably Stanford eventually figured out that it was a tech incubator. > The way royalties work, a third goes to the school, a third goes to the department and a third goes to the inventor. I gave my third back to my department because essentially all of this stuff is born out of a great research environment. Presumably most of the royalties came from Cisco. Cisco's founders would certainly have known that Stanford owned the hardware design and software, as well as any copyrights or patents, and that licensing would be required. It sounds like Yeager's biggest complaint was that Cisco didn't give him (and Bechtolsheim) credit for their work.
hulitu 4y ago
Did they have also the same backdoors ?

count 4y ago

Don't forget that was a joint effort by 3Com w/Huawei. The debug messages even still said Cisco. It was ridiculous.

CodeSgt 4y ago
Wow! I've never heard of thus. How were the counterfeit servers eventually discovered to be counterfeits? Sounds like this went pretty deep.
- signa11 4y ago
  you buy one, and ask your engineers to go to work on it. make sure it is air gapped…
  - count 4y ago
    LOL, more like, you take the factory manufacturing stuff, and the stolen source code for the OS that runs on it, you run a sed script to replace 'Cisco' with '3Com' and 'IOS' with '3OS' but make it not actually do so everywhere, and then just change the badge and ship to customers. And for what it's worth, they were network switches/routers, not servers. Cisco didn't make 'servers' back in the day. https://www.infoworld.com/article/2674627/3com-huawei-joint-venture-begins-operations.html https://www.infoworld.com/article/2674627/3com-huawei-joint-...
signa11 4y ago
yup, c10k (iirc) was one of the affected platforms.

orbital-decay 4y ago

Hold on, are we talking about the same Cisco that also outright stole its first product, with the founders narrowly avoiding jail time? [0] Huawei vs Nortel (Canada) is a far more interesting story. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisco#1984%E2%80%931995:_Origins_and_initial_growth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisco#1984%E2%80%931995:_Origi... >On July 11, 1986, Bosack and Lougheed were forced to resign from Stanford and the university contemplated filing criminal complaints against Cisco and its founders for the theft of its software, hardware designs, and other intellectual properties.[15]

musicale 4y ago
"But this was not exactly bad, because other things had happened like that at Stanford before." Presumably Stanford eventually figured out that it was a tech incubator. > The way royalties work, a third goes to the school, a third goes to the department and a third goes to the inventor. I gave my third back to my department because essentially all of this stuff is born out of a great research environment. Presumably most of the royalties came from Cisco. Cisco's founders would certainly have known that Stanford owned the hardware design and software, as well as any copyrights or patents, and that licensing would be required. It sounds like Yeager's biggest complaint was that Cisco didn't give him (and Bechtolsheim) credit for their work.

hulitu 4y ago

Did they have also the same backdoors ?