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This provides a lot of insight into how that man got to the top. He clearly has no qualms about lying and bullshitting his way into and out of anything and no

This provides a lot of insight into how that man got to the top. He clearly has no qualms about lying and bullshitting his way into and out of anything and no amount of proof to the contrary will ever get him to admit he was wrong. I guess this is similar to the "reality distortion field" people claim Jobs had. Except the examples given there were more of him not believing people who said something couldn't be done.

kergonath 4y ago
Jobs’ RDF was a manifestation of his charisma: he could make people think something really hard was actually easy (when dealing with engineers and designers) or the other way around (when dealing with customers). Jobs did bullshit, but AFAIK more on the design and marketing side than on the business side (give or take the backdated stock option thing and his first stint at Apple, when he wasn’t in control). Certainly nothing like Musk’s shenanigans.
- cma 4y ago
  > (give or take the backdated stock option thing and his first stint at Apple, when he wasn’t in control). Certainly nothing like Musk’s shenanigans. Don't forget Jobs' prime role in having companies collude together to depress wages by not recruiting each other's employees: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Tech_Employee_Antitrust_Litigation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Tech_Employee_Antitrust_L... "an interconnected web of express agreements, each with the active involvement and participation of a company under the control of Steve Jobs...and/or a company that shared at least one member of Apple's board of directors."
  - kergonath 4y ago
    > Don't forget Jobs' prime role in having companies collude together to depress wages by not recruiting each other's employees Yes, indeed! I forgot to mention that.
benj111 4y ago
I reach the opposite conclusion. He offers to buy twitter on a whim, then changes his mind after signing a contract. That doesn't really seem like a good way of getting to the top.
- spywaregorilla 4y ago
  People are missing the obvious story. He locked himself into a price, then the price of things crashed. It has crashed so much that he's honestly better off just walking away and losing the billion dollars... but he doesn't want to lose a billion dollars so he's gonna do whatever he can do to get out of it.
  - megablast 4y ago
    He could lose a lot more than a billion. He could lose the entire amount he pledged.
    - spywaregorilla 4y ago
      Possibly. But it seem unlikely. The deal explicitly says he can back out for a billion dollars.
      - swores 4y ago
        No it doesn't say that, it says that if his third party funding falls through then he's on the hook for a billion dollars instead of buying the company. There's nothing in the contract about a billion dollars fee for any other reason of the sale not going through. Of course, a judge could choose to take that number as the amount to punish with, but it's not a price Musk can just choose to pay to get out of the deal.
      - blackoil 4y ago
        That is not a backout clause but protection against the deal not getting necessary approval.
      - 4y ago

kergonath 4y ago

Jobs’ RDF was a manifestation of his charisma: he could make people think something really hard was actually easy (when dealing with engineers and designers) or the other way around (when dealing with customers). Jobs did bullshit, but AFAIK more on the design and marketing side than on the business side (give or take the backdated stock option thing and his first stint at Apple, when he wasn’t in control). Certainly nothing like Musk’s shenanigans.

cma 4y ago
> (give or take the backdated stock option thing and his first stint at Apple, when he wasn’t in control). Certainly nothing like Musk’s shenanigans. Don't forget Jobs' prime role in having companies collude together to depress wages by not recruiting each other's employees: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Tech_Employee_Antitrust_Litigation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Tech_Employee_Antitrust_L... "an interconnected web of express agreements, each with the active involvement and participation of a company under the control of Steve Jobs...and/or a company that shared at least one member of Apple's board of directors."
- kergonath 4y ago
  > Don't forget Jobs' prime role in having companies collude together to depress wages by not recruiting each other's employees Yes, indeed! I forgot to mention that.

benj111 4y ago

I reach the opposite conclusion. He offers to buy twitter on a whim, then changes his mind after signing a contract. That doesn't really seem like a good way of getting to the top.

spywaregorilla 4y ago
People are missing the obvious story. He locked himself into a price, then the price of things crashed. It has crashed so much that he's honestly better off just walking away and losing the billion dollars... but he doesn't want to lose a billion dollars so he's gonna do whatever he can do to get out of it.
- megablast 4y ago
  He could lose a lot more than a billion. He could lose the entire amount he pledged.
  - spywaregorilla 4y ago
    Possibly. But it seem unlikely. The deal explicitly says he can back out for a billion dollars.
    - swores 4y ago
      No it doesn't say that, it says that if his third party funding falls through then he's on the hook for a billion dollars instead of buying the company. There's nothing in the contract about a billion dollars fee for any other reason of the sale not going through. Of course, a judge could choose to take that number as the amount to punish with, but it's not a price Musk can just choose to pay to get out of the deal.
    - blackoil 4y ago
      That is not a backout clause but protection against the deal not getting necessary approval.
    - 4y ago