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Electron 20.0.0

7 points by kiyanwang 4y ago

smoldesu 4y ago
> On X11, skipTaskbar sends a _NET_WM_STATE_SKIP_TASKBAR message to the X11 window manager. There is not a direct equivalent for Wayland, and the known workarounds have unacceptable tradeoffs (e.g. Window.is_skip_taskbar in GNOME requires unsafe mode), so Electron is unable to support this feature on Linux. One Linux-specific change, and it's a design regression made only because GNOME/Wayland no longer supports the feature. Yipee!
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- jorams 4y ago
  That's a confusing change. It doesn't work on Wayland, so let's also remove it for X11?
- rvz 4y ago
  Another example of why the Linux Desktop alternatives of alternatives in-fighting with X11 vs Wayland has caused developers like Electron.js being unable to support both as doing that creates a regression in one. So they remove the feature all together.
  - seba_dos1 4y ago
    > in-fighting What in-fighting? Wayland is more or less what happened when X11 developers decided to lose the baggage of backwards compatibility (or, to be more exact, to move it towards a mostly self-contained layer of XWayland), not a break-neck competitor.
    - smoldesu 4y ago
      In-fighting here is characterized as the strange differences between Wayland and x11. It's perfectly fine if the Wayland developers don't want to focus on building a desktop window server, but they shouldn't position themselves as the dominant player if they're not going to make it work well for everyone. wlroots doesn't solve this in a meaningful way, and the aversion to adding meaningful features permanently positions Wayland as a worse window server than, say, Quartz. If x11 developers don't want to build x11 anymore, fine. I have no problem with those contributors walking away. They shouldn't try to replace a passenger jet with a helicopter though, just because they "both fly" doesn't mean they achieve the same purposes or have the same design principles.
- emptyparadise 4y ago
  Why is it that every time something goes wrong in the Linux GUI world, GNOME is involved?
black_puppydog 4y ago
Not specific to this release, but with 6 months of total life time for the releases, it does seem a bit like the electron team is just there to tire the rest of the industry (ie competition) out by churning out breaking changes at break neck speed...

7 points by kiyanwang 4y ago

> On X11, skipTaskbar sends a _NET_WM_STATE_SKIP_TASKBAR message to the X11 window manager. There is not a direct equivalent for Wayland, and the known workarounds have unacceptable tradeoffs (e.g. Window.is_skip_taskbar in GNOME requires unsafe mode), so Electron is unable to support this feature on Linux. One Linux-specific change, and it's a design regression made only because GNOME/Wayland no longer supports the feature. Yipee!

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jorams 4y ago
That's a confusing change. It doesn't work on Wayland, so let's also remove it for X11?
rvz 4y ago
Another example of why the Linux Desktop alternatives of alternatives in-fighting with X11 vs Wayland has caused developers like Electron.js being unable to support both as doing that creates a regression in one. So they remove the feature all together.
- seba_dos1 4y ago
  > in-fighting What in-fighting? Wayland is more or less what happened when X11 developers decided to lose the baggage of backwards compatibility (or, to be more exact, to move it towards a mostly self-contained layer of XWayland), not a break-neck competitor.
  - smoldesu 4y ago
    In-fighting here is characterized as the strange differences between Wayland and x11. It's perfectly fine if the Wayland developers don't want to focus on building a desktop window server, but they shouldn't position themselves as the dominant player if they're not going to make it work well for everyone. wlroots doesn't solve this in a meaningful way, and the aversion to adding meaningful features permanently positions Wayland as a worse window server than, say, Quartz. If x11 developers don't want to build x11 anymore, fine. I have no problem with those contributors walking away. They shouldn't try to replace a passenger jet with a helicopter though, just because they "both fly" doesn't mean they achieve the same purposes or have the same design principles.
emptyparadise 4y ago
Why is it that every time something goes wrong in the Linux GUI world, GNOME is involved?

black_puppydog 4y ago

Not specific to this release, but with 6 months of total life time for the releases, it does seem a bit like the electron team is just there to tire the rest of the industry (ie competition) out by churning out breaking changes at break neck speed...