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Are there cities in the world where some pets are well fed but some humans starve? Humans are quite capable of elevating non-humans above humans.
by munk-a 4y ago
Are there cities in the world where some pets are well fed but some humans starve? Humans are quite capable of elevating non-humans above humans.
- kube-system 4y agoI don’t think there’s any place in the world with a perfect human rights record. That doesn’t mean human rights don’t exist, or that they apply to other things.
- ben_w 4y agoHuman rights are a nice thing, but they are not a natural thing. What we grant to each other, we could (and might) grant to inorganic minds we may one day create.
- kube-system 4y agoIf there's an argument for AI rights unrelated to natural or human rights, then certainly, any comparison to human or natural intelligence is an irrelevant supporting argument, no?
- ben_w 4y agoGerman language has a word absent from English: doch. Because you ended that with a presumption "no", regardless of if I said "yes" ("ja") or "no" ("nein") you might well take that as an agreement, but "doch" is (when used as a particle) always a disagreement with the main claim: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/doch#German https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/doch#German So: Doch, a perfect copy of a human mind but in software would be a counter example where the human intelligence itself would imply to me that it has personhood (others will argue about p-zombies, and rich-inner-world consciousness is not well enough defined to convince people in general even with this, which is where I was going with my original point). But it wouldn't matter if the answer was "yes", because I was very careful to write about sentience and inner world experience rather than intelligence with regard to rights. If you wish to argue that intelligence is necessary for creativity, then existing AI must count as intelligent, but (A ⇒ B) ⇏ (B ⇒ A) so don't mistake that for a claim for the reverse.