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You're right that chaos is the status quo, but have we stopped to consider that maybe it sucks? I love rock concerts, but I'll find somewhere relatively calm to

by vlunkr 4y ago

You're right that chaos is the status quo, but have we stopped to consider that maybe it sucks? I love rock concerts, but I'll find somewhere relatively calm to watch from. I paid money to watch and listen to a band play, not to act like a maniac. A small percentage of the crowd actually wants to participate in a mosh pit, everyone else has to deal with it because "it's a rock show dude!"

rglover 4y ago
> You're right that chaos is the status quo, but have we stopped to consider that maybe it sucks? No. That's what the back and the balcony (or your couch) are for. I actually take offense to this position because it's so counter-intuitive to the spirit of the music. It's a METAL show not a Steely Dan performance. If you can't handle that, stay home.
- mpeg 4y ago
  Weird for you to gatekeep the metal genre, when in the Netflix docuseries for Woodstock 99 even the lead singer of Korn talks about how everyone should be able to enjoy a show without being assaulted People were getting trampled after falling down in the mosh pit, and there were several reports of gang rapes happening amidst the chaos. It's not really justifiable behaviour
  - rglover 4y ago
    I'm not gatekeeping anything. I'm saying that you should consider the context/situation where you're at and not bring in your loaded expectations (i.e., gatekeeping in reverse) to force others into behaving how you please. You wouldn't go to Sea World and expect to not get splashed.
- lawgimenez 4y ago
  I agree, I was into hardcore shows when I was a teenager. Hardcore shows are more violent in my opinion. My hands would get bruised up from hitting other people but no one gives a damn because everyone is aware that this is a hardcore show, not an Abba concert.
  - vlunkr 4y ago
    I promise you people do care. Just maybe if you’re the one hitting people you’re not being very considerate of their feelings and the concert experience.
    - lawgimenez 4y ago
      It is not like I’m hitting their heads, but it is mostly our arms get caught up like a windmill or backstroke. Stage dives are brutal too but that’s just the hardcore scene.
  - rglover 4y ago
    Bingo. Me and a buddy went to a Dillinger Escape Plan [1] show and he walked out with a giant gash above his eye (affectionally nicknamed "The Dillinger") and a smile on his face. [1] Not this one, but same energy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-lxwlgyhhA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-lxwlgyhhA
    - lawgimenez 4y ago
      Calculating Infinity is a game changer. I remember hearing it the first time, it’s just nuts and I loved it. 43% burnt will always be in my top hardcore playlists.

by vlunkr 4y ago

rglover 4y ago

> You're right that chaos is the status quo, but have we stopped to consider that maybe it sucks? No. That's what the back and the balcony (or your couch) are for. I actually take offense to this position because it's so counter-intuitive to the spirit of the music. It's a METAL show not a Steely Dan performance. If you can't handle that, stay home.

mpeg 4y ago
Weird for you to gatekeep the metal genre, when in the Netflix docuseries for Woodstock 99 even the lead singer of Korn talks about how everyone should be able to enjoy a show without being assaulted People were getting trampled after falling down in the mosh pit, and there were several reports of gang rapes happening amidst the chaos. It's not really justifiable behaviour
- rglover 4y ago
  I'm not gatekeeping anything. I'm saying that you should consider the context/situation where you're at and not bring in your loaded expectations (i.e., gatekeeping in reverse) to force others into behaving how you please. You wouldn't go to Sea World and expect to not get splashed.
lawgimenez 4y ago
I agree, I was into hardcore shows when I was a teenager. Hardcore shows are more violent in my opinion. My hands would get bruised up from hitting other people but no one gives a damn because everyone is aware that this is a hardcore show, not an Abba concert.
- vlunkr 4y ago
  I promise you people do care. Just maybe if you’re the one hitting people you’re not being very considerate of their feelings and the concert experience.
  - lawgimenez 4y ago
    It is not like I’m hitting their heads, but it is mostly our arms get caught up like a windmill or backstroke. Stage dives are brutal too but that’s just the hardcore scene.
- rglover 4y ago
  Bingo. Me and a buddy went to a Dillinger Escape Plan [1] show and he walked out with a giant gash above his eye (affectionally nicknamed "The Dillinger") and a smile on his face. [1] Not this one, but same energy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-lxwlgyhhA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-lxwlgyhhA
  - lawgimenez 4y ago
    Calculating Infinity is a game changer. I remember hearing it the first time, it’s just nuts and I loved it. 43% burnt will always be in my top hardcore playlists.