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It amazes me how quickly people online are willing to start ww3. It seems like it's not the world leaders we have to worry about, it's the fucking commenters.

It amazes me how quickly people online are willing to start ww3. It seems like it's not the world leaders we have to worry about, it's the fucking commenters. Yes it should be picked up but the US can't just go in swinging with China. Nobody wins.

MichaelBurge 4y ago
Apple's market cap is $2.7 trillion. How hard could it be for them to get a few nuclear-powered aircraft carriers and tell China, "We refuse to comply with your labeling requirements. Just try to stop us"?
- wongarsu 4y ago
  Apple has about $40 billion cash on hand. A nuclear-powered aircraft carrier is about $10 billion, plus another 6 billion for the aircraft (taking a Nimitz class with 90 Super Hornets). Add in ammunition, crew, training, support craft, operational expenses. Buying more than one would seriously strain Apple's budget. And all of that to expose it to China's anti-ship missiles and dare them to shoot. Seems like a terrible way to spend that money.
  - sour-taste 4y ago
    Not to mention that I'm pretty sure the USA doesn't want it's private companies running their own Navies and going toe to toe with foreign forces
BudaDude 4y ago
To be fair, China was ready to start WWIII a few days ago.
- iconhacker 4y ago
  Only when provoked by US.
  - yccs27 4y ago
    How is this even remotely a provocation justifying this kind of response? It‘s a diplomatic gesture confirming the US‘s support for the decades old de-facto status quo. China‘s insistence on their power fantasy is the permanent provocation here.
  - klipklop 4y ago
    Provoked by an old lady flying in and giving a few speeches? That is one rather weak provocation. Compare that to the CCP launching missiles over the island of Taiwan. Who is provoking whom?
    - eagleal 4y ago
      Wasn't that after removing the infamous "Taiwan Is Part Of China" from the Taiwan Fact Sheet, and the proposal for expansion of military aid to Taiwan? That old lady is also the US House Speaker, second in line for POTUS succession among other things. Not exactly irrelevant.
    - Ygg2 4y ago
      Sure. But many countries have their "weak" spots. Let Nancy Pelosi go to Catalonia on a military jet, without Spain's approval. It would be a major scandal. Or hell, if Xi Jinping got around US government on a submarine, and appeared in Texas to support its independence. All independence is based on having some autonomy (trivial) and no one other calling your bluff.
      - stale2002 4y ago
        No, actually. I do not think many people would care if Xi made some speech in texas. Mostly that sounds just funny. He can go ahead and do that.
        Ygg2 4y ago
        It was a fantastical example, but I doubt US would look kindly to sedition. US doesn't look kindly to someone endangering their energy supplies. Let alone territorial integrity
- prepend 4y ago
  I don’t think it would be ww3 as China would get roflstomped by US and Japan. They might take Taiwan though and ruin the global economy for a few decades. But I’m not seeing how this gets to be ww3 and not a regional war of just blowing shit up with missles. I don’t think Europe, Africa or South America would get involved unless China fired icbms or bobbed Hawaii or something. China’s military just isn’t strong enough yet. Maybe in 20-50 years.
  - wongarsu 4y ago
    I agree that China can't project military force far outside China. But they don't have to, a large portion of the world's population and manufacturing capacity is in their neighborhood. If they take over Taiwan, occupy Vietnam and get countries like Laos and Thailand which have good relations with China on their side, then other countries might join against China to protect their interests and supply lines. Meanwhile the US has failed to roflstomp much smaller and weaker countries that didn't prepare for this exact scenario. China can't take the war to the US, but they can defend their costal waters and core territory longer than the US can maintain popular support for a war.
  - krainboltgreene 4y ago
    > I don’t think it would be ww3 as China would get roflstomped by US and Japan. Yes, a country with nukes would get "rolfstomped". I expect this opinion from a hacker news commentator.
    - prepend 4y ago
      I suppose I’ll never get to be Secretary of State.
  - wins32767 4y ago
    China has done an awesome job in building a military that can win a war for Taiwan. They have a very strong integrated air defense system, enough short range missiles to effectively deny the South China Sea to surface vessels and enough long range missiles to crater all of the nearby airfields the US would use in any such conflict. It's not clear they could successfully invade, but can they sink any ship bringing food into Taiwan? Probably, and realistically that's all they need to do to win. On the flip side, what can the US do to get China to stop fighting if they don't want to give up? An invasion couldn't possibly take over the whole country and might trigger a nuclear reprisal, a blockade would take longer to work against China than Taiwan, and the economic consequences would hit the US quite hard. How many Americans want to buy war bonds and go on rationing to protect Taiwan? Especially with the current political polarization? I don't think it's a sure fire win for China, but it's already in the realm of plausibility.
klipklop 4y ago
Yes, we should just appease the people that will attempt to end the world if they don’t get their way. I recall an appeasement policy in Europe didn’t work so great in the 1930s.
- heartbreak 4y ago
  When open conflict with China would also "end the world" the exact same could be applied to OP. You want a world in which China is not appeased, and you're okay with ending it all if that's what it takes.
Clubber 4y ago
>It amazes me how quickly people online are willing to start ww3. Ya, and if that happens, expect a draft. The US military is having difficulty finding volunteers. They'll need a whole lot of soldiers, sailors and marines if we went all out with China. >It seems like it's not the world leaders we have to worry about, it's the fucking commenters. Pelosi was quite bold in her little stunt recently with Taiwan. She's willing to send our boys and girls to war for a political stunt is pretty disgusting. I'm done with all these war mongers. I wonder what she was really trying to accomplish. Also, seems some people stole $6B from Chinese banks. One of the accused was allowed to flee to the US. https://menafn.com/1104402647/China-Banking-Scandal-May-Involve-US6-Billion https://menafn.com/1104402647/China-Banking-Scandal-May-Invo...
- koshergweilo 4y ago
  > Pelosi was quite bold in her little stunt recently with Taiwan. She's willing to send our boys and girls to war for a political stunt is pretty disgusting The only reason she went was because the US military deemed it safe to do so. No one wants a war right now. > I wonder what she was really trying to accomplish. Why not listen to her words? "We must stand by Taiwan, which is an island of resilience. Taiwan is a leader in governance … . At the same time, Beijing is squeezing Taiwan economically, pressuring global corporations to cut ties with the island, intimidating countries that cooperate with Taiwan, and clamping down on tourism from the [mainland]. In the face of the Chinese Communist Party’s … accelerating aggression, our congressional delegation’s visit should be seen as an unequivocal statement that America stands with Taiwan, our democratic partner, as it defends itself and its freedom."
  - Clubber 4y ago
    >The only reason she went was because the US military deemed it safe to do so. The same military that said Afghanistan wouldn't fall until months after we left? The same DoD that convinced us WMDs existed in Iraq? How many times will we buy into this garbage? "Our commitment to democracy is tested in China. That nation now has a sliver, a fragment of liberty. Yet, China's people will eventually want their liberty pure and whole. China has discovered that economic freedom leads to national wealth. China's leaders will also discover that freedom is indivisible -- that social and religious freedom is also essential to national greatness and national dignity. Eventually, men and women who are allowed to control their own wealth will insist on controlling their own lives and their own country." W. Bush said similar things when trying to manufacture content for invading Iraq. You know how that worked out. Don't buy what they're selling like I did 20 years ago. Warmongers need to go. A draft to fight China will destroy an entire generation. She has no business saber rattling like that. >No one wants a war right now. You sure about that?
99_00 4y ago
“Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak.” The Art of War, Sun Tzu It amazes me how many people assume China has a strong military without doing the most basic research.
- Atatator 4y ago
  Hmm Military Watch Magazine places China into "TIER ONE MILITARY POWERS" list https://militarywatchmagazine.com/forceapp/countries/ https://militarywatchmagazine.com/forceapp/countries/ Do you have any source saying that China's military is not as strong as it appears to be?
  - 99_00 4y ago
    Right behind Russia. Who would be defeated in Ukraine with a hand full decommissioned f-16s and a-10s.

MichaelBurge 4y ago

Apple's market cap is $2.7 trillion. How hard could it be for them to get a few nuclear-powered aircraft carriers and tell China, "We refuse to comply with your labeling requirements. Just try to stop us"?

wongarsu 4y ago
Apple has about $40 billion cash on hand. A nuclear-powered aircraft carrier is about $10 billion, plus another 6 billion for the aircraft (taking a Nimitz class with 90 Super Hornets). Add in ammunition, crew, training, support craft, operational expenses. Buying more than one would seriously strain Apple's budget. And all of that to expose it to China's anti-ship missiles and dare them to shoot. Seems like a terrible way to spend that money.
- sour-taste 4y ago
  Not to mention that I'm pretty sure the USA doesn't want it's private companies running their own Navies and going toe to toe with foreign forces

BudaDude 4y ago

To be fair, China was ready to start WWIII a few days ago.

iconhacker 4y ago
Only when provoked by US.
- yccs27 4y ago
  How is this even remotely a provocation justifying this kind of response? It‘s a diplomatic gesture confirming the US‘s support for the decades old de-facto status quo. China‘s insistence on their power fantasy is the permanent provocation here.
- klipklop 4y ago
  Provoked by an old lady flying in and giving a few speeches? That is one rather weak provocation. Compare that to the CCP launching missiles over the island of Taiwan. Who is provoking whom?
  - eagleal 4y ago
    Wasn't that after removing the infamous "Taiwan Is Part Of China" from the Taiwan Fact Sheet, and the proposal for expansion of military aid to Taiwan? That old lady is also the US House Speaker, second in line for POTUS succession among other things. Not exactly irrelevant.
  - Ygg2 4y ago
    Sure. But many countries have their "weak" spots. Let Nancy Pelosi go to Catalonia on a military jet, without Spain's approval. It would be a major scandal. Or hell, if Xi Jinping got around US government on a submarine, and appeared in Texas to support its independence. All independence is based on having some autonomy (trivial) and no one other calling your bluff.
    - stale2002 4y ago
      No, actually. I do not think many people would care if Xi made some speech in texas. Mostly that sounds just funny. He can go ahead and do that.
      - Ygg2 4y ago
        It was a fantastical example, but I doubt US would look kindly to sedition. US doesn't look kindly to someone endangering their energy supplies. Let alone territorial integrity
prepend 4y ago
I don’t think it would be ww3 as China would get roflstomped by US and Japan. They might take Taiwan though and ruin the global economy for a few decades. But I’m not seeing how this gets to be ww3 and not a regional war of just blowing shit up with missles. I don’t think Europe, Africa or South America would get involved unless China fired icbms or bobbed Hawaii or something. China’s military just isn’t strong enough yet. Maybe in 20-50 years.
- wongarsu 4y ago
  I agree that China can't project military force far outside China. But they don't have to, a large portion of the world's population and manufacturing capacity is in their neighborhood. If they take over Taiwan, occupy Vietnam and get countries like Laos and Thailand which have good relations with China on their side, then other countries might join against China to protect their interests and supply lines. Meanwhile the US has failed to roflstomp much smaller and weaker countries that didn't prepare for this exact scenario. China can't take the war to the US, but they can defend their costal waters and core territory longer than the US can maintain popular support for a war.
- krainboltgreene 4y ago
  > I don’t think it would be ww3 as China would get roflstomped by US and Japan. Yes, a country with nukes would get "rolfstomped". I expect this opinion from a hacker news commentator.
  - prepend 4y ago
    I suppose I’ll never get to be Secretary of State.
- wins32767 4y ago
  China has done an awesome job in building a military that can win a war for Taiwan. They have a very strong integrated air defense system, enough short range missiles to effectively deny the South China Sea to surface vessels and enough long range missiles to crater all of the nearby airfields the US would use in any such conflict. It's not clear they could successfully invade, but can they sink any ship bringing food into Taiwan? Probably, and realistically that's all they need to do to win. On the flip side, what can the US do to get China to stop fighting if they don't want to give up? An invasion couldn't possibly take over the whole country and might trigger a nuclear reprisal, a blockade would take longer to work against China than Taiwan, and the economic consequences would hit the US quite hard. How many Americans want to buy war bonds and go on rationing to protect Taiwan? Especially with the current political polarization? I don't think it's a sure fire win for China, but it's already in the realm of plausibility.

klipklop 4y ago

Yes, we should just appease the people that will attempt to end the world if they don’t get their way. I recall an appeasement policy in Europe didn’t work so great in the 1930s.

heartbreak 4y ago
When open conflict with China would also "end the world" the exact same could be applied to OP. You want a world in which China is not appeased, and you're okay with ending it all if that's what it takes.

Clubber 4y ago

>It amazes me how quickly people online are willing to start ww3. Ya, and if that happens, expect a draft. The US military is having difficulty finding volunteers. They'll need a whole lot of soldiers, sailors and marines if we went all out with China. >It seems like it's not the world leaders we have to worry about, it's the fucking commenters. Pelosi was quite bold in her little stunt recently with Taiwan. She's willing to send our boys and girls to war for a political stunt is pretty disgusting. I'm done with all these war mongers. I wonder what she was really trying to accomplish. Also, seems some people stole $6B from Chinese banks. One of the accused was allowed to flee to the US. https://menafn.com/1104402647/China-Banking-Scandal-May-Involve-US6-Billion https://menafn.com/1104402647/China-Banking-Scandal-May-Invo...

koshergweilo 4y ago
> Pelosi was quite bold in her little stunt recently with Taiwan. She's willing to send our boys and girls to war for a political stunt is pretty disgusting The only reason she went was because the US military deemed it safe to do so. No one wants a war right now. > I wonder what she was really trying to accomplish. Why not listen to her words? "We must stand by Taiwan, which is an island of resilience. Taiwan is a leader in governance … . At the same time, Beijing is squeezing Taiwan economically, pressuring global corporations to cut ties with the island, intimidating countries that cooperate with Taiwan, and clamping down on tourism from the [mainland]. In the face of the Chinese Communist Party’s … accelerating aggression, our congressional delegation’s visit should be seen as an unequivocal statement that America stands with Taiwan, our democratic partner, as it defends itself and its freedom."
- Clubber 4y ago
  >The only reason she went was because the US military deemed it safe to do so. The same military that said Afghanistan wouldn't fall until months after we left? The same DoD that convinced us WMDs existed in Iraq? How many times will we buy into this garbage? "Our commitment to democracy is tested in China. That nation now has a sliver, a fragment of liberty. Yet, China's people will eventually want their liberty pure and whole. China has discovered that economic freedom leads to national wealth. China's leaders will also discover that freedom is indivisible -- that social and religious freedom is also essential to national greatness and national dignity. Eventually, men and women who are allowed to control their own wealth will insist on controlling their own lives and their own country." W. Bush said similar things when trying to manufacture content for invading Iraq. You know how that worked out. Don't buy what they're selling like I did 20 years ago. Warmongers need to go. A draft to fight China will destroy an entire generation. She has no business saber rattling like that. >No one wants a war right now. You sure about that?

99_00 4y ago

“Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak.” The Art of War, Sun Tzu It amazes me how many people assume China has a strong military without doing the most basic research.

Atatator 4y ago
Hmm Military Watch Magazine places China into "TIER ONE MILITARY POWERS" list https://militarywatchmagazine.com/forceapp/countries/ https://militarywatchmagazine.com/forceapp/countries/ Do you have any source saying that China's military is not as strong as it appears to be?
- 99_00 4y ago
  Right behind Russia. Who would be defeated in Ukraine with a hand full decommissioned f-16s and a-10s.