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>"You would never catch Apple releasing something like this since they have brand value to protect" - Do you recall the original iphone lacked a bunch of real

>"You would never catch Apple releasing something like this since they have brand value to protect" - Do you recall the original iphone lacked a bunch of really "duh" features at first. The main one being no copy+paste? Sure, Apple has made mistakes... No way to iron out the wrinkles in your foldable OLED screens until you get enough people to try them on first.

BoorishBears 4y ago
You're being way too defensive here. The iPhone was revolutionary, lacking some software features at launch was nothing that couldn't be fixed. What the post above clearly means is releasing hardware that's still a few iterations from being "mainstream appealing" If you actually follow the story of the iPhone, Apple could have released a bulkier more primitive version, but Steve Jobs refused because it wouldn't have mainstream appeal. And Apple just seems to be more conservative in the feature wars in general. They held out the longest on OLEDs, they held out the longest on 120hz, etc. all until it was practically "boring" tech.
- samstave 4y ago
  My only point was, that sure the FOLED is new, but heck, I had the first gen iPhone on day one, and every single version up to X So, Sure, its novel - but give it a try. I am not being overly defensive of apple, I am saying, this is the HN croud, I have always been an early adopter, ever since the 80s... So I dont poo-poo on this thing. I love it. The only feature I _really_ want this machine to have is IP68 waterproofing or better. Imagine a smaller size of this device that attached to a divers arm, but can be 'curved' to the shape of the SCU-Bracer-9000.
- laumars 4y ago
  The stuff you’re critiquing does have mainstream appeal though. If it didn’t they wouldn’t sell well. Yet they do. Honestly, the views here smack more of elitism than any deep understanding of what the mainstream like.
  - BoorishBears 4y ago
    You're completely misunderstanding what I don't think is a difficult point. Don't look at sales of the folding phones for example... look at sales at the very first folding phone (low production Samsung model) Look at sales of not 120hz screens, but the first 120hz (spoiler: It was a low production Razer gaming phone) Look at the laptop linked here... clearly it is not meant to sell in mainstream numbers like a Macbook - Other companies seem to be ok with releasing what are essentially prototypes with production bodies. There's bound to be teething issues, but they're ok with that. And the feature might have mainstream appeal, but the entire device they release it on does not... at least not in the current iteration. Apple on the other hand seems to only want to release once they can release in full force and maximum widespread appeal.
    - laumars 4y ago
      I understand your point perfectly fine. What you’re doing is cherry picking examples to suit a personal bias and ignoring the fact that some of your examples of “unready technology” not only sell well but are hugely loved by those who own it. Take the Samsung phone you’re citing. One of my non-technical friends has one and absolutely loves it. Plenty of companies have successful products with hardware that you consider beneath you. And Apple have released plenty of hardware that has absolutely been unfit for mass market. The destination you’re making here is purely your own bias.
      - BoorishBears 4y ago
        Again, being way way way too defensive, and completely missing the point because you're so focused on being as combative as possible. Things like the Galaxy Fold are successful products aimed at non-mainstream scale. No one is calling those features useless, or unappealing, it's the entire package that is intentionally not marketed for the mainstream. - It's ironic because you seem to be getting increasingly upset thinking that this is all pro-Apple propaganda, when the reality is I'm saying Apple is afraid of taking risk and iterates internally instead of externally which isn't necessarily a good thing... we've seen that with AirPower for example. Odd how some people get about these companies, this really shouldn't be such an emotional topic, it's pretty much non-debatable that Apple doesn't really do the kind of device in this post, while other manufacturers do.
codethief 4y ago
Not sure I'd want to iron my foldable OLED screen just to get it straight again.

BoorishBears 4y ago

You're being way too defensive here. The iPhone was revolutionary, lacking some software features at launch was nothing that couldn't be fixed. What the post above clearly means is releasing hardware that's still a few iterations from being "mainstream appealing" If you actually follow the story of the iPhone, Apple could have released a bulkier more primitive version, but Steve Jobs refused because it wouldn't have mainstream appeal. And Apple just seems to be more conservative in the feature wars in general. They held out the longest on OLEDs, they held out the longest on 120hz, etc. all until it was practically "boring" tech.

samstave 4y ago
My only point was, that sure the FOLED is new, but heck, I had the first gen iPhone on day one, and every single version up to X So, Sure, its novel - but give it a try. I am not being overly defensive of apple, I am saying, this is the HN croud, I have always been an early adopter, ever since the 80s... So I dont poo-poo on this thing. I love it. The only feature I _really_ want this machine to have is IP68 waterproofing or better. Imagine a smaller size of this device that attached to a divers arm, but can be 'curved' to the shape of the SCU-Bracer-9000.
laumars 4y ago
The stuff you’re critiquing does have mainstream appeal though. If it didn’t they wouldn’t sell well. Yet they do. Honestly, the views here smack more of elitism than any deep understanding of what the mainstream like.
- BoorishBears 4y ago
  You're completely misunderstanding what I don't think is a difficult point. Don't look at sales of the folding phones for example... look at sales at the very first folding phone (low production Samsung model) Look at sales of not 120hz screens, but the first 120hz (spoiler: It was a low production Razer gaming phone) Look at the laptop linked here... clearly it is not meant to sell in mainstream numbers like a Macbook - Other companies seem to be ok with releasing what are essentially prototypes with production bodies. There's bound to be teething issues, but they're ok with that. And the feature might have mainstream appeal, but the entire device they release it on does not... at least not in the current iteration. Apple on the other hand seems to only want to release once they can release in full force and maximum widespread appeal.
  - laumars 4y ago
    I understand your point perfectly fine. What you’re doing is cherry picking examples to suit a personal bias and ignoring the fact that some of your examples of “unready technology” not only sell well but are hugely loved by those who own it. Take the Samsung phone you’re citing. One of my non-technical friends has one and absolutely loves it. Plenty of companies have successful products with hardware that you consider beneath you. And Apple have released plenty of hardware that has absolutely been unfit for mass market. The destination you’re making here is purely your own bias.
    - BoorishBears 4y ago
      Again, being way way way too defensive, and completely missing the point because you're so focused on being as combative as possible. Things like the Galaxy Fold are successful products aimed at non-mainstream scale. No one is calling those features useless, or unappealing, it's the entire package that is intentionally not marketed for the mainstream. - It's ironic because you seem to be getting increasingly upset thinking that this is all pro-Apple propaganda, when the reality is I'm saying Apple is afraid of taking risk and iterates internally instead of externally which isn't necessarily a good thing... we've seen that with AirPower for example. Odd how some people get about these companies, this really shouldn't be such an emotional topic, it's pretty much non-debatable that Apple doesn't really do the kind of device in this post, while other manufacturers do.

codethief 4y ago

Not sure I'd want to iron my foldable OLED screen just to get it straight again.