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yeah, I guess lying under oath is no big deal? I always thought it mattered. I was deposed to give testimony once in a dispute between two other parties and it

yeah, I guess lying under oath is no big deal? I always thought it mattered. I was deposed to give testimony once in a dispute between two other parties and it was nerve wracking to give testimony about a few questions because it was stuff I hadn't thought about in a couple of year. Turns out it's no big deal to lie under oath? This is really troubling, how can we have the rule of law if lying under oath is allowed for some people?

MisterBastahrd 4y ago
I'm not a lawyer, but I suspect that judges sorta know that people who are being sued or prosecuted are not exactly going to be reliable witnesses if they testify, and that it'd probably be a bigger deal if this were one of Jones' associates who wasn't on the hook for the money. There's also plenty of time for the judge to dial up some perjury referrals.
- vlovich123 4y ago
  I could be wrong but my understanding is that technically lawyers are liable if they put someone on the stand they know is going to lie. I’m surprised that isn’t enforced more often.
  - MisterBastahrd 4y ago
    Defendants in any proceeding have the right to not self-incriminate. It's not the judge's responsibility to do the job for a lawyer that a defendant hires. Once they hit that witness stand, they're fair game.
alfiedotwtf 4y ago
It probably has to do with how much money you have as well
felipellrocha 4y ago
It's only a big deal if you're poor, though. It says so in the Constitution... /s
cmollis 4y ago
I can attest that it's not (a big deal). My ex-wife lied repeatedly in written court certifications about money she was receiving from her parents which I ultimately proved were lies. This, I assumed, was tantamount to perjury (given that these were supposedly 'sworn statements' with all the requisite mumbo jumbo about 'penalties'). Guess what? nothing happened. thanks for paying all of that extra money in alimony that you didn't have to...You lied to the Court.. and me, for years.. eh, no big deal. thanks for playing our super-fun anachronistic, ceremonial scamfest. I believe lying is actually encouraged by the Court system because the onus is the adversary to prove it and, even if you do, nothing really happens. Threats of 'contempt' are just that.. threats. Contempt of Court, contempt of Congress..perjury.. yawn. On another note, getting some rain today..really need it.

MisterBastahrd 4y ago

I'm not a lawyer, but I suspect that judges sorta know that people who are being sued or prosecuted are not exactly going to be reliable witnesses if they testify, and that it'd probably be a bigger deal if this were one of Jones' associates who wasn't on the hook for the money. There's also plenty of time for the judge to dial up some perjury referrals.

vlovich123 4y ago
I could be wrong but my understanding is that technically lawyers are liable if they put someone on the stand they know is going to lie. I’m surprised that isn’t enforced more often.
- MisterBastahrd 4y ago
  Defendants in any proceeding have the right to not self-incriminate. It's not the judge's responsibility to do the job for a lawyer that a defendant hires. Once they hit that witness stand, they're fair game.

alfiedotwtf 4y ago

It probably has to do with how much money you have as well

felipellrocha 4y ago

It's only a big deal if you're poor, though. It says so in the Constitution... /s

cmollis 4y ago

I can attest that it's not (a big deal). My ex-wife lied repeatedly in written court certifications about money she was receiving from her parents which I ultimately proved were lies. This, I assumed, was tantamount to perjury (given that these were supposedly 'sworn statements' with all the requisite mumbo jumbo about 'penalties'). Guess what? nothing happened. thanks for paying all of that extra money in alimony that you didn't have to...You lied to the Court.. and me, for years.. eh, no big deal. thanks for playing our super-fun anachronistic, ceremonial scamfest. I believe lying is actually encouraged by the Court system because the onus is the adversary to prove it and, even if you do, nothing really happens. Threats of 'contempt' are just that.. threats. Contempt of Court, contempt of Congress..perjury.. yawn. On another note, getting some rain today..really need it.