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You are absolutely right, but I’m not sure I want to have a free roaming camera and LiDAR sensor from a Chinese company in my home. Absolute piss poor track rec
by ramraj07 4y ago
You are absolutely right, but I’m not sure I want to have a free roaming camera and LiDAR sensor from a Chinese company in my home. Absolute piss poor track record of data collection, I’ll happily stick to my roomba. It’s definitely semi dumb but it’s predictable in its quirks. It’s also repairable with copious supply of original parts. Note also that they still innovate, including the self empty bin that actually works, which others have now copied. Just sayin’.
- Fiahil 4y agopi-hole the roborock subdomains. You'll loose starting via the app, but the robot stills works.
- ls15 4y ago> You are absolutely right, but I’m not sure I want to have a free roaming camera and LiDAR sensor from a Chinese company in my home. Absolute piss poor track record of data collection I am not sure if Amazon is more trustworthy than that.
- kyle_martin1 4y ago
- ratww 4y agoI would say Amazon has plenty of problems, but also plenty more incentive to behave and try to be careful with the data.
- vasachi 4y agoDon't they give camera feeds to law enforcement without warrant?
- dymk 4y agoYes, and they’re still more trustworthy than a Chinese company
- vasachi 4y agoKinda. The problem is your threat model, no? If you think of US law enforcement as adversary, using Amazon products is a very bad idea.
- jolux 4y agoIf US law enforcement is your adversary you’re already fucked. All US companies are subject to subpoena.
- nixgeek 4y agoI mean there are countless documented situations where U.S. law enforcement has dramatically overreached or misstepped, and personally, I’d prefer people who have cameras and microphones in my home to require the U.S. judiciary to review some facts and agree to issue a warrant for any access. Amazon doesn’t meet this test and so this acquisition likely means we’ll be parting ways with iRobot equipment in our home. I guess you could say my threat model is not “the United States is my adversary”, and more that I appreciate some checks and balances being present on ‘local yokel’ police departments which are empirically not always doing the right thing (especially where oversight is low).
- colinmhayes 4y agoNot if you’re more worried about the American government than the Chinese government.
- jvanderbot 4y agoThis is exactly my concern. Imagine a DoD contractor with a remote-controllable, lidar+camera (+mic?) equipped robot based in the USA's main rival country. Does that seem like a good idea? Should we put a fleet of Chinese robots in SpaceX's facility? Lockheed's? Why not? It's not just "Murica first". If these were European companies, I'd jump ship very quickly to an iRobot competitor with a superior product, thanks to EU's data collection laws and USA's OK relationship with EU. But they aren't, they operate in a regime where questionable data collection is the norm and theft of IP is called "R&D". Yes, Amazon will use iRobot to vacuum more data than dirt, but at least they are part of the US and EU laws. They provide gov services for a ton of US DoD/NASA infra! China could and would just thumb their nose at us without much concern.
- jkestner 4y agoI'm less worried about what a Chinese surveillance device will do in my house than an Amazon one. Only the latter has the ability and history of turning over data to those who can arrest me.
- toss1 4y agoA bit of a nit to clarify: It seems your actual complaint is that if US Law Enforcement decides you are a target of interest, they would think to go to Amazon and Amazon's reputation is that they'd cooperate in handing over data, whereas the LE officers would neither bother to ask, nor expect cooperation from the Chinese companies. The Chinese (or anyone) can certainly turn over their data to people who can arrest you, if they decide you are a target.
- chrischen 4y agoChinese companies operating in the US still have to abide by US laws, so they are under the same jurisdiction that compels Amazon to turn over data to law enforcement. If Chinese companies don't comply, they get kicked out of the market.
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- hoosieree 4y agoI don't really want continuous surveillance of the interior of my home by any company from any nation. There should be some places where you get to just exist without being monitored.
- jonnycomputer 4y agoSo far my solution has been just to make sure everything is disconnected from wifi. Not so sure that will actually work for that much longer, if it still does at all (cellular, more extensive mesh networking, etc.). I think that places in the US will start having to push for the right to turn off and disconnect (yeah, shades of Max Headroom here).
- faangiq 4y ago
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- conradfr 4y agoThe computer in your house could.
- jakear 4y agoAs an individual house, perhaps not. As reasonably capable compute behind a residential IP in a net with millions of others, perhaps. Agree that the "data collection" aspect is muzzy, the same complaint would hold for any IC you attach to your network (hell, even the router itself).
- Joeri 4y agoIs there a tangible difference between chinese and american companies when it comes to privacy? It seems either will sell your data to the highest bidder.
- erie 4y agoBut what is the difference, is the track record of a democracy less grim with your privacy? " Amazon admitted its Ring security cameras have sent recordings to police without the knowledge or consent of the people who own the cameras. Responding to an inquiry from Sen. Ed Markey (D-Mass.), Amazon said in a letter dated July 1 that it has handed over private recordings to police 11 times in 2022. The company said it was complying with an "emergency request."
- beambot 4y agoAmazon Handed Ring Videos to Cops Without Warrants https://www.wired.com/story/amazon-ring-police-videos-security-roundup/ https://www.wired.com/story/amazon-ring-police-videos-securi...
- thankful69 4y agoYup, that was my thinking, even if the Chinese company owns the data, they wont be sharing that with the PD or NSA , etc... if they are, then really doesn't matter who owns your data.
- thankful69 4y agoI guess is better to have a device that will share your data with domestic entities that actually spy on you and harm your privacy. If someone "has to" own my data, I prefer that someone to be in another jurisdiction.
- SheinhardtWigCo 4y ago> I’m not sure I want to have a free roaming camera and LiDAR sensor from a Chinese company in my home. Don't you already have that in your pocket?
- fomine3 4y agoCamera and mic (ecovacs highend models have) is a bit consideration, but I don't care CCP take my home's LiDAR information. It should be boring.
- nicbou 4y agoThe Roborock I use works totally fine without any internet connection. I just put it down and pressed a button. It's also user-serviceable.