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> there is zero discoverability The shortcuts associated with menu items are shown in the menu item. I realize that there other discovery problems with keyboar

> there is zero discoverability The shortcuts associated with menu items are shown in the menu item. I realize that there other discovery problems with keyboard shortcuts (on all platforms) but there is non-zero discoverability for "the most basic things" on Mac OS. Gesture discoverability is much closer to zero, IMHO.

everyone 4y ago
Yeah fair enough, I was being hyperbolic, edited my comment to be more accurate.
egypturnash 4y ago
what you mean most people don't go explore every single page of the System Preferences when they get a new computer and look at all the helpful animations in the Gestures pane, I'm shocked (yeah this is the computing equivalent of a locked file cabinet in a disused toilet stall in a dark basement with a sign on the door that says "Beware The Leopard")
- 9935c101ab17a66 4y ago
  macOS help menus are incredibly useful, system preferences is helpful, and support.apple.com actually has some useful guides. Apple also provides free training sessions at Apple Stores, and free remote support 24/7 AFAIK through AppleCare. What do you expect? Unskippable videos when you first set up a mac followed by a mandatory test that you have to pass before you can use the computer?
- kergonath 4y ago
  > yeah this is the computing equivalent of a locked file cabinet in a disused toilet stall in a dark basement with a sign on the door that says "Beware The Leopard" OTOH it makes complete sense to have a look at the Trackpad pane to see how it works. It’s not like it’s hidden behind a defaults command line, and it even has movies. It’s much worse on phones.
jjoonathan 4y ago
Mac OS Help menu search is spectacular for discoverability. Start typing what you want and it pops up the menu with an arrow and it shows you the shortcut. Everyone else does it worse, except maybe the VSCode command palette.
- yourad_io 4y ago
  This is the only thing I miss about macos. Last Mac used was snow leopard and I _still_ sometimes find myself wishing for menu search on Linux

everyone 4y ago

Yeah fair enough, I was being hyperbolic, edited my comment to be more accurate.

egypturnash 4y ago

what you mean most people don't go explore every single page of the System Preferences when they get a new computer and look at all the helpful animations in the Gestures pane, I'm shocked (yeah this is the computing equivalent of a locked file cabinet in a disused toilet stall in a dark basement with a sign on the door that says "Beware The Leopard")

9935c101ab17a66 4y ago
macOS help menus are incredibly useful, system preferences is helpful, and support.apple.com actually has some useful guides. Apple also provides free training sessions at Apple Stores, and free remote support 24/7 AFAIK through AppleCare. What do you expect? Unskippable videos when you first set up a mac followed by a mandatory test that you have to pass before you can use the computer?
kergonath 4y ago
> yeah this is the computing equivalent of a locked file cabinet in a disused toilet stall in a dark basement with a sign on the door that says "Beware The Leopard" OTOH it makes complete sense to have a look at the Trackpad pane to see how it works. It’s not like it’s hidden behind a defaults command line, and it even has movies. It’s much worse on phones.

jjoonathan 4y ago

Mac OS Help menu search is spectacular for discoverability. Start typing what you want and it pops up the menu with an arrow and it shows you the shortcut. Everyone else does it worse, except maybe the VSCode command palette.

yourad_io 4y ago
This is the only thing I miss about macos. Last Mac used was snow leopard and I _still_ sometimes find myself wishing for menu search on Linux