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So... the kids will probably not have much friends as all the other kids will be socializing online even if that's inferior to physical friendship. Good or bad

So... the kids will probably not have much friends as all the other kids will be socializing online even if that's inferior to physical friendship. Good or bad, that is the norm now and if you don't let your kid access to a tablet while all the other kids do, that child will be lacking a lot of confidence and practical tech skills. A balance with both iPad time and physical activity time would be a better tradeoff IMO.

ChuckNorris89 4y ago
In Europe kids meet and play outside IRL, no need for ipads to socialize.
- iasay 4y ago
  My kids, even the 9 year old, organise with their friends via iMessage, so YMMV on that... Teach them it's a tool and guide them on how to use it responsibly.
  - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
    >My kids, even the 9 year old, organise with their friends via iMessage That's mostly an American thing. >Teach them it's a tool and guide them on how to use it responsibly. Don't know about your kids or your childhood, but I always did what was cool and not what my parents told me is responsible.
    - iasay 4y ago
      I'm in Europe... My childhood was irrelevant as was yours. Time changes.
      - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
        >I'm in Europe... Then how do your kids communicate with those who only have android devices? That's a big social issue among teens in the US. iMessage is never popular in Europe, as everyone here uses cross platform apps like Whatsapp, Telegram, Snapchat, etc. due to the lower market share of IOS vs Andorid. Your case seems like an outlier.
        iasay 4y ago
        I have WhatsApp as well. None of our kids have Android devices as you can't control them adequately.
        ChuckNorris89 4y ago
        >Android devices as you can't control them adequately What's missing on Android that Apple has for control?
        iasay 4y ago
        one browser engine across the whole platform and white listed content filters.
        cowtools 4y ago
        What prevents you from just using your own browser with your own parental safety controls, and then sand-boxing the user from installing other apps?
        iasay 4y ago
        Some of the auto updated apps have a history of adding circumventable embedded browsers in about boxes and things on Android which can be used to browse the internet. This happens on iOS too but the browser engine is safari and is subject to the same white lists as normal Safari. This is a fairly large security concern if I'm honest generally.
JadeNB 4y ago
> Good or bad, that is the norm now and if you don't let your kid access to a tablet while all the other kids do, that child will be lacking a lot of confidence and practical tech skills. I'm pretty sure most of us on HN grew up without access to iPads, but still somehow developed practical tech skills, including the ability to learn to use iPads.
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  It's not like iPads are some complex niche tech that needs to be learned from an early age otherwise you fall behind and miss out.
- can16358p 4y ago
  We've grown up to something technically harder-to-use than an iPad, and I'm comparing today's equivalent. If we normalize this to current HN audience's childhood (roughly), it's more like not touching a computer and not seeing a modem until 20s, while all the kids know at least how to turn a computer, use Windows Explorer/Mac Finder, developed motor skills to use a keyboard efficiently, know how to modify Word docs etc. and the social norm is knowing all these things (as opposed to our chilhood). Sure, a legendary hacker might arise after touching a computer first time after 20s, but much less likely.
  - JadeNB 4y ago
    Certainly, but all the technology with which we grew up is still out there. A kid who hasn't had an iPad is not automatically a kid who hasn't had any hands-on experience with technology, and, while I can imagine there's some debate here about whether or not it's feasible to raise a child in today's world without an iPad or equivalent device—I'm not a parent, and so wouldn't presume to participate—I can't imagine anyone here advancing the position that "I'll raise my kid without any kind of 'hacking' experience."
ccbccccbbcccbb 4y ago
The society where children "will probably" have less friends for not having a key to access this privilege, in this case a gadget, is totally FUBAR.

ChuckNorris89 4y ago

In Europe kids meet and play outside IRL, no need for ipads to socialize.

iasay 4y ago
My kids, even the 9 year old, organise with their friends via iMessage, so YMMV on that... Teach them it's a tool and guide them on how to use it responsibly.
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  >My kids, even the 9 year old, organise with their friends via iMessage That's mostly an American thing. >Teach them it's a tool and guide them on how to use it responsibly. Don't know about your kids or your childhood, but I always did what was cool and not what my parents told me is responsible.
  - iasay 4y ago
    I'm in Europe... My childhood was irrelevant as was yours. Time changes.
    - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
      >I'm in Europe... Then how do your kids communicate with those who only have android devices? That's a big social issue among teens in the US. iMessage is never popular in Europe, as everyone here uses cross platform apps like Whatsapp, Telegram, Snapchat, etc. due to the lower market share of IOS vs Andorid. Your case seems like an outlier.
      - iasay 4y ago
        I have WhatsApp as well. None of our kids have Android devices as you can't control them adequately.
        ChuckNorris89 4y ago
        >Android devices as you can't control them adequately What's missing on Android that Apple has for control?
        iasay 4y ago
        one browser engine across the whole platform and white listed content filters.
        cowtools 4y ago
        What prevents you from just using your own browser with your own parental safety controls, and then sand-boxing the user from installing other apps?
        iasay 4y ago
        Some of the auto updated apps have a history of adding circumventable embedded browsers in about boxes and things on Android which can be used to browse the internet. This happens on iOS too but the browser engine is safari and is subject to the same white lists as normal Safari. This is a fairly large security concern if I'm honest generally.

JadeNB 4y ago

> Good or bad, that is the norm now and if you don't let your kid access to a tablet while all the other kids do, that child will be lacking a lot of confidence and practical tech skills. I'm pretty sure most of us on HN grew up without access to iPads, but still somehow developed practical tech skills, including the ability to learn to use iPads.

ChuckNorris89 4y ago
It's not like iPads are some complex niche tech that needs to be learned from an early age otherwise you fall behind and miss out.
can16358p 4y ago
We've grown up to something technically harder-to-use than an iPad, and I'm comparing today's equivalent. If we normalize this to current HN audience's childhood (roughly), it's more like not touching a computer and not seeing a modem until 20s, while all the kids know at least how to turn a computer, use Windows Explorer/Mac Finder, developed motor skills to use a keyboard efficiently, know how to modify Word docs etc. and the social norm is knowing all these things (as opposed to our chilhood). Sure, a legendary hacker might arise after touching a computer first time after 20s, but much less likely.
- JadeNB 4y ago
  Certainly, but all the technology with which we grew up is still out there. A kid who hasn't had an iPad is not automatically a kid who hasn't had any hands-on experience with technology, and, while I can imagine there's some debate here about whether or not it's feasible to raise a child in today's world without an iPad or equivalent device—I'm not a parent, and so wouldn't presume to participate—I can't imagine anyone here advancing the position that "I'll raise my kid without any kind of 'hacking' experience."

ccbccccbbcccbb 4y ago

The society where children "will probably" have less friends for not having a key to access this privilege, in this case a gadget, is totally FUBAR.