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I don't really get the appeal of folding screens, but then I didn't get the appeal of iPads when it was announced. One thing I would love is an iPhone / iPad t

I don't really get the appeal of folding screens, but then I didn't get the appeal of iPads when it was announced. One thing I would love is an iPhone / iPad that docks and dual boots into macOS powering a monitor- surely that should be technically possible by now.

sumedh 4y ago
> but then I didn't get the appeal of iPads when announced. Let me guess you dont have kids.
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  Not parent and I don't have kids but if I did, there's no way I'm giving them an ipad. They can have coloring books, crayons, Legos and building blocks, doll houses, physical plastic, wooden and plush toys, restricted access to PCs/consoles, but no portable smart devices with screens, online connection and spyware apps. By kids I'm talking about pre-teens. They can get smart devices when they're teenagers.
  - lwhi 4y ago
    From knowing parents, I'd be willing to bet you'd eventually change your mind ..
  - sumedh 4y ago
    There are some things which you should not answer unless you have experienced it yourself. Having kids is one of them. All your activity sounds good on paper but real life does not work like that. Kids are smart, they can see you are on your smart device, they can see others are on their phones/ipads when they go outside. You dont want your kid to be a social outcast. Sometimes when you want to do your chores or want some quiet time for yourself the best solution is to give your kids an ipad so that they remain busy.
    - dest 4y ago
      Parent of three, eldest is 8. For quiet time, she reads a book. No screens, no smart devices.
    - cowtools 4y ago
      I don't think that's a responsible attitude to have. "You dont want your kid to be a social outcast", sure, but sometimes you have to lay down the law. That starts with setting an example yourself. If you're always on your phone, you're sending your children the social signal that that's OK.
    - skor 4y ago
      parent here, if you can’t work while your 3-5 year old is entertained with drawing or reading (looking at pictures in) your books/library, you didn’t teach them to entertain themselves. Music and radio drama work wonders too. Just compare their feedback over time using the different approaches and you’ll notice that they work more their imagination when the content is not laid out entirely by someone else.
      - sumedh 4y ago
        You can do the things which you mentioned on an ipad as well, its not just a device for content laid out entirely by someone else.
  - eddieroger 4y ago
    Unless your kids are network engineers who can join wifi networks or get around firewalls, or hackers who can defeat parental controls, you should be able to control what they do on an iPad pretty easily, including making it an offline device. You can even lock them in to a single app if you really wanted to.
  - can16358p 4y ago
    So... the kids will probably not have much friends as all the other kids will be socializing online even if that's inferior to physical friendship. Good or bad, that is the norm now and if you don't let your kid access to a tablet while all the other kids do, that child will be lacking a lot of confidence and practical tech skills. A balance with both iPad time and physical activity time would be a better tradeoff IMO.
    - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
      In Europe kids meet and play outside IRL, no need for ipads to socialize.
      - iasay 4y ago
        My kids, even the 9 year old, organise with their friends via iMessage, so YMMV on that... Teach them it's a tool and guide them on how to use it responsibly.
        ChuckNorris89 4y ago
        >My kids, even the 9 year old, organise with their friends via iMessage That's mostly an American thing. >Teach them it's a tool and guide them on how to use it responsibly. Don't know about your kids or your childhood, but I always did what was cool and not what my parents told me is responsible.
        iasay 4y ago
        I'm in Europe... My childhood was irrelevant as was yours. Time changes.
        ChuckNorris89 4y ago
        >I'm in Europe... Then how do your kids communicate with those who only have android devices? That's a big social issue among teens in the US. iMessage is never popular in Europe, as everyone here uses cross platform apps like Whatsapp, Telegram, Snapchat, etc. due to the lower market share of IOS vs Andorid. Your case seems like an outlier.
  - martijn_himself 4y ago
    I agree this is a good attitude and start off point for parents-to-be but I have to agree with other commenters that it is impractical and goes out the window pretty quickly unless you have nerves of steel :). Imagine for example being on a flight with a toddler throwing a tantrum, for the sake of everyone's sanity an iPad is a wonderful device. Having said that it is all about balance, and limiting screen time is a good way to go about it.
    - iasay 4y ago
      Some parenting advice: if your toddler loses their marbles, do not pacify them with a reward. That's a seriously bad idea. I found the best low stress and low effort solution was to be a larger drama than they are. This culminated in myself lying on the floor in the Lakeside shopping centre in the UK screaming my head off. Oh yes I can do it too. And it makes you look like a dick when I do it. Make sure you talk to them at the same level afterwards. You are now equals :) She never did it again after that and has been a joy. Advice has worked for other people.
    - prmoustache 4y ago
      > agree this is a good attitude and start off point for parents-to-be but I have to agree with other commenters that it is impractical and goes out the window pretty quickly unless you have nerves of steel :). Imagine for example being on a flight with a toddler throwing a tantrum, for the sake of everyone's sanity an iPad is a wonderful device. It doesn't have to be the kid's iPad though. We have a "family" nintendo switch. I sure don't mind if they play with it on the plane, but at home they only have access to it on request and within a limited time. Same as for a laptop if they want to watch something or my eldest daughter's phone. There is no way these devices stay in their room either. I give them an allotted time, and all these devices need to get back to my office where the charging cables are once time is over. And if for some reason they try to cheat and use the fact I am busy with something to not take notice they are still using it, they get punished for a week without access to said device. In the end I am glad my daughters are so creative and spend so much time drawing, building things with cardboard, glue and tape, or play outside. Usually screen time is limited to when I am cooking for dinner, after they took a shower. They still aren't stranger to tech but don't need to be hooked on social medias. My daughter's phone is mostly used to play music and for whatsapp, as well as camera when we go out. But since her time on it is limited, every comm is asynchronous and doesn't end with her having to answer to every single notification right away.
  - iasay 4y ago
    It's a tool. Another creative outlet. I bought my kids ipads and apple pencils and they love them. My eldest, now at university bought a new iPad Pro recently and uses that exclusively as her work computer. What you're doing is enforcing a semi-luddite position on your own kids because you can only leave them unattended with old things. Just be a parent ffs.
    - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
      >I bought my kids ipads and apple pencils and they love them Sure, but kids also love eating only sweets, watching cartoons and playing videogames all day, that doesn't mean it's always good for them. Don't physical pencils and paper work the same without the downsides for kids, like staring into a bright screen? And by kids I meant 3-12 year olds, not Teenagers and college age kids who need an ipad for study and productivity.
      - iasay 4y ago
        Correct. That's what parenting is for, not prohibition ludditism.
        ChuckNorris89 4y ago
        But parenting means also setting boundaries and not always indulging kids with the latest internet connected shiny toys. That's not ludditism IMHO.
        iasay 4y ago
        Correct. That’s not exclusive to my points.
        sbuk 4y ago
        > But parenting means also setting boundaries and not always indulging kids with the latest internet connected shiny toys. You could just leave off the "...with the latest internet connected shiny toys."
      - 4y ago
  - ccbccccbbcccbb 4y ago
    Haha, man, gotta love how you get downvoted for wanting to be a proper loving father and not someone who outsources the upbringing of their children to youtube and roblox!
- martijn_himself 4y ago
  I do see the appeal now, just not when it was announced in 2010 (I think a lot of people didn't at the time).
- ndiddy 4y ago
  In early childhood, children's brains will rapidly adapt to their environment (https://academic.oup.com/pch/article/11/9/571/2648303?login=false https://academic.oup.com/pch/article/11/9/571/2648303?login=...), for example Aboriginal Australian children develop strong spatial cognition to survive in an environment with few landmarks (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0010028581900177 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/001002...). It'll be interesting to see what happens when the generation of children whose brains have adapted to oversaturated, constantly changing, narrative-free stimuli by being raised on YouTube Kids reaches adulthood.
  - JadeNB 4y ago
    > It'll be interesting to see what happens when the generation of children whose brains have adapted to oversaturated, constantly changing, narrative-free stimuli by being raised on YouTube Kids reaches adulthood. This sounds word for word like worries about the first generation of children raised with ready access to TVs.
    - cowtools 4y ago
      It could be a difference in kind, not merely a difference in degree. Besides, who is to say that TV did not have negative effects?
  - sumedh 4y ago
    You can make the same arguments in the past about kids watching TV and then kids using a PC. In 10 years, parents will be complaining about AR/VR
    - rpmisms 4y ago
      > You can make the same arguments in the past about kids watching TV and then kids using a PC. Yes. This is true, and they're still valid complaints. I grew up (currently in my 20s) without a TV or PC with a GUI. > In 10 years, parents will be complaining about AR/VR Same potential for completely ruining kids, if not worse.
alberth 4y ago
Anyone who works on a job site will love this (e.g. architects, electricians, plumbers, etc). Much like on the other extremely, pilots absolutely love the tiny iPad Mini because it can easily fit in the cockpit (and even be mounted to the windshield).
pmontra 4y ago
For a laptop, it's a small machine with a large screen. For a desktop, don't know. This is probably going to cost a lot and installing Linux would probably mean to forfeit all the screen modes except one (I don't expect much driver support - but maybe xrandr?) anyway I can see me buying something like that. Too bad for the missing touchpad buttons (three of them, this is almost a deal breaker), wonderful not having a number pad, I didn't check if it can be upgraded (RAM, SSD) and which ports it has. My wishes: video, ethernet, 3.5 audio jack, at least two USB A 3.0, USB C would be ok, I bet there are adapters for old hardware.

sumedh 4y ago

> but then I didn't get the appeal of iPads when announced. Let me guess you dont have kids.

ChuckNorris89 4y ago
Not parent and I don't have kids but if I did, there's no way I'm giving them an ipad. They can have coloring books, crayons, Legos and building blocks, doll houses, physical plastic, wooden and plush toys, restricted access to PCs/consoles, but no portable smart devices with screens, online connection and spyware apps. By kids I'm talking about pre-teens. They can get smart devices when they're teenagers.
- lwhi 4y ago
  From knowing parents, I'd be willing to bet you'd eventually change your mind ..
- sumedh 4y ago
  There are some things which you should not answer unless you have experienced it yourself. Having kids is one of them. All your activity sounds good on paper but real life does not work like that. Kids are smart, they can see you are on your smart device, they can see others are on their phones/ipads when they go outside. You dont want your kid to be a social outcast. Sometimes when you want to do your chores or want some quiet time for yourself the best solution is to give your kids an ipad so that they remain busy.
  - dest 4y ago
    Parent of three, eldest is 8. For quiet time, she reads a book. No screens, no smart devices.
  - cowtools 4y ago
    I don't think that's a responsible attitude to have. "You dont want your kid to be a social outcast", sure, but sometimes you have to lay down the law. That starts with setting an example yourself. If you're always on your phone, you're sending your children the social signal that that's OK.
  - skor 4y ago
    parent here, if you can’t work while your 3-5 year old is entertained with drawing or reading (looking at pictures in) your books/library, you didn’t teach them to entertain themselves. Music and radio drama work wonders too. Just compare their feedback over time using the different approaches and you’ll notice that they work more their imagination when the content is not laid out entirely by someone else.
    - sumedh 4y ago
      You can do the things which you mentioned on an ipad as well, its not just a device for content laid out entirely by someone else.
- eddieroger 4y ago
  Unless your kids are network engineers who can join wifi networks or get around firewalls, or hackers who can defeat parental controls, you should be able to control what they do on an iPad pretty easily, including making it an offline device. You can even lock them in to a single app if you really wanted to.
- can16358p 4y ago
  So... the kids will probably not have much friends as all the other kids will be socializing online even if that's inferior to physical friendship. Good or bad, that is the norm now and if you don't let your kid access to a tablet while all the other kids do, that child will be lacking a lot of confidence and practical tech skills. A balance with both iPad time and physical activity time would be a better tradeoff IMO.
  - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
    In Europe kids meet and play outside IRL, no need for ipads to socialize.
    - iasay 4y ago
      My kids, even the 9 year old, organise with their friends via iMessage, so YMMV on that... Teach them it's a tool and guide them on how to use it responsibly.
      - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
        >My kids, even the 9 year old, organise with their friends via iMessage That's mostly an American thing. >Teach them it's a tool and guide them on how to use it responsibly. Don't know about your kids or your childhood, but I always did what was cool and not what my parents told me is responsible.
        iasay 4y ago
        I'm in Europe... My childhood was irrelevant as was yours. Time changes.
        ChuckNorris89 4y ago
        >I'm in Europe... Then how do your kids communicate with those who only have android devices? That's a big social issue among teens in the US. iMessage is never popular in Europe, as everyone here uses cross platform apps like Whatsapp, Telegram, Snapchat, etc. due to the lower market share of IOS vs Andorid. Your case seems like an outlier.
- martijn_himself 4y ago
  I agree this is a good attitude and start off point for parents-to-be but I have to agree with other commenters that it is impractical and goes out the window pretty quickly unless you have nerves of steel :). Imagine for example being on a flight with a toddler throwing a tantrum, for the sake of everyone's sanity an iPad is a wonderful device. Having said that it is all about balance, and limiting screen time is a good way to go about it.
  - iasay 4y ago
    Some parenting advice: if your toddler loses their marbles, do not pacify them with a reward. That's a seriously bad idea. I found the best low stress and low effort solution was to be a larger drama than they are. This culminated in myself lying on the floor in the Lakeside shopping centre in the UK screaming my head off. Oh yes I can do it too. And it makes you look like a dick when I do it. Make sure you talk to them at the same level afterwards. You are now equals :) She never did it again after that and has been a joy. Advice has worked for other people.
  - prmoustache 4y ago
    > agree this is a good attitude and start off point for parents-to-be but I have to agree with other commenters that it is impractical and goes out the window pretty quickly unless you have nerves of steel :). Imagine for example being on a flight with a toddler throwing a tantrum, for the sake of everyone's sanity an iPad is a wonderful device. It doesn't have to be the kid's iPad though. We have a "family" nintendo switch. I sure don't mind if they play with it on the plane, but at home they only have access to it on request and within a limited time. Same as for a laptop if they want to watch something or my eldest daughter's phone. There is no way these devices stay in their room either. I give them an allotted time, and all these devices need to get back to my office where the charging cables are once time is over. And if for some reason they try to cheat and use the fact I am busy with something to not take notice they are still using it, they get punished for a week without access to said device. In the end I am glad my daughters are so creative and spend so much time drawing, building things with cardboard, glue and tape, or play outside. Usually screen time is limited to when I am cooking for dinner, after they took a shower. They still aren't stranger to tech but don't need to be hooked on social medias. My daughter's phone is mostly used to play music and for whatsapp, as well as camera when we go out. But since her time on it is limited, every comm is asynchronous and doesn't end with her having to answer to every single notification right away.
- iasay 4y ago
  It's a tool. Another creative outlet. I bought my kids ipads and apple pencils and they love them. My eldest, now at university bought a new iPad Pro recently and uses that exclusively as her work computer. What you're doing is enforcing a semi-luddite position on your own kids because you can only leave them unattended with old things. Just be a parent ffs.
  - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
    >I bought my kids ipads and apple pencils and they love them Sure, but kids also love eating only sweets, watching cartoons and playing videogames all day, that doesn't mean it's always good for them. Don't physical pencils and paper work the same without the downsides for kids, like staring into a bright screen? And by kids I meant 3-12 year olds, not Teenagers and college age kids who need an ipad for study and productivity.
    - iasay 4y ago
      Correct. That's what parenting is for, not prohibition ludditism.
      - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
        But parenting means also setting boundaries and not always indulging kids with the latest internet connected shiny toys. That's not ludditism IMHO.
        iasay 4y ago
        Correct. That’s not exclusive to my points.
        sbuk 4y ago
        > But parenting means also setting boundaries and not always indulging kids with the latest internet connected shiny toys. You could just leave off the "...with the latest internet connected shiny toys."
    - 4y ago
- ccbccccbbcccbb 4y ago
  Haha, man, gotta love how you get downvoted for wanting to be a proper loving father and not someone who outsources the upbringing of their children to youtube and roblox!
martijn_himself 4y ago
I do see the appeal now, just not when it was announced in 2010 (I think a lot of people didn't at the time).
ndiddy 4y ago
In early childhood, children's brains will rapidly adapt to their environment (https://academic.oup.com/pch/article/11/9/571/2648303?login=false https://academic.oup.com/pch/article/11/9/571/2648303?login=...), for example Aboriginal Australian children develop strong spatial cognition to survive in an environment with few landmarks (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0010028581900177 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/001002...). It'll be interesting to see what happens when the generation of children whose brains have adapted to oversaturated, constantly changing, narrative-free stimuli by being raised on YouTube Kids reaches adulthood.
- JadeNB 4y ago
  > It'll be interesting to see what happens when the generation of children whose brains have adapted to oversaturated, constantly changing, narrative-free stimuli by being raised on YouTube Kids reaches adulthood. This sounds word for word like worries about the first generation of children raised with ready access to TVs.
  - cowtools 4y ago
    It could be a difference in kind, not merely a difference in degree. Besides, who is to say that TV did not have negative effects?
- sumedh 4y ago
  You can make the same arguments in the past about kids watching TV and then kids using a PC. In 10 years, parents will be complaining about AR/VR
  - rpmisms 4y ago
    > You can make the same arguments in the past about kids watching TV and then kids using a PC. Yes. This is true, and they're still valid complaints. I grew up (currently in my 20s) without a TV or PC with a GUI. > In 10 years, parents will be complaining about AR/VR Same potential for completely ruining kids, if not worse.

alberth 4y ago

Anyone who works on a job site will love this (e.g. architects, electricians, plumbers, etc). Much like on the other extremely, pilots absolutely love the tiny iPad Mini because it can easily fit in the cockpit (and even be mounted to the windshield).

pmontra 4y ago

For a laptop, it's a small machine with a large screen. For a desktop, don't know. This is probably going to cost a lot and installing Linux would probably mean to forfeit all the screen modes except one (I don't expect much driver support - but maybe xrandr?) anyway I can see me buying something like that. Too bad for the missing touchpad buttons (three of them, this is almost a deal breaker), wonderful not having a number pad, I didn't check if it can be upgraded (RAM, SSD) and which ports it has. My wishes: video, ethernet, 3.5 audio jack, at least two USB A 3.0, USB C would be ok, I bet there are adapters for old hardware.